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Aibu to think I'm being being deceived?

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TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 15:33

This is a long post about my friend Mary (Not real name).
Mary and I went to secondary school together in the 1990s. We weren't really close friends, we had some GCSE subjects together and got on ok, but she was absent a lot due to ill health. I don't really know with what, but her parents (her mother really) kept her off school a lot. I think she had glandular fever originally, and there was vague talk about complications from that. I visited her in hospital once, so she was genuinely ill at one point.
After GCSEs we lost contact. I moved to a new area and school with my family, this was before social media or mobile phones was the norm. I only really kept in contact with my best friend, Sophie, via written letters and the odd landline catch up. So, lost contact with Mary.
Roughly 14 years ago, Sophie (who i still have sporadic contact with) mentioned in an email that she'd been in contact via Facebook with Mary. Mary had basically been unwell since we all parted ways at 16, was bedridden through ill-health, was too unwell for visitors, her mother had been her carer but then had tragically passed away herself. So, things pretty dire to say the least. Sophie said Mary had been asking after me and would it be ok to pass on my email address and mobile number so we could catch up. Fine, no problem, of course.

We've been in regular contact since then. Always by email/WhatsApp. She told me she has various health problems, including ME and joint problems. She originally said she's basically a vegetable 6 days a week, but is able to take a class A level drug once a week that allows her to email and message people, catch up on social media etc as her only window to the outside world. So this has been our friendship over the last 14 years. Its mostly fine, but it sometimes feels like a lot of pressure occasionally, because if she messages me but I'm out with friends or on a long-awaited date with my husband or I'm ill and need a early night (or whatever), I still feel obliged to message back and forth with her as she's so dependant on that few hours of interaction. She always maintained that physically being around other people was toxic for her health, so the last time I physically saw her was at 16. Since that point our only communication has been by typed messages.
There's been small signs over the years that she might be not quite right in the head, but I put this down to her being so unwell/Maybe misinterpreting her true meaning etc. There was one incident where she was beside herself, saying (unbeknownst to me) her boyfriend (?!) Dave Had left her for someone else. It transpires she had a boyfriend for years, actually Dave was someone else from our school year who'd she'd stayed in contact with, but one of her other friends (Denise, Also someone from our year) had first off been an evil cow by suggesting maybe the ill health was psychological rather than physical, and had then stolen her boyfriend. I kind of tried to be supportive without getting too involved (which you can't really do when you're only interaction is via WhatsApp anyway). Her messaging can be quite confusing too, which i had rationalized as her being unwell and on meds. But basically, when I probed for how long she'd had this boyfriend and how had they met up, it transpired he'd actually been in a relationship with denise first and Mary either genuinely had an affair with him, or she was convinced he loved her but had actually invented the whole affair. But she genuinely presented this to me as this evil bitch stealing her boyfriend. Weird, but I kind of thought it's none of my business. Also, very juvenile, but I rationalized this as her kind of being trapped emotionally/developmentally at the age of 16 as she'd been bedridden since then.

There is other stuff. Like how she told me she was getting another tattoo. Another one? How have you got any when you're too sick to leave the house or bed and the mere presence of other people is toxic to you? She sidestepped this. Its very easy to do that when sudden pain means you need to leave the chat and stay uncontactable for months.

I've kind of been thinking for a while, is she really physically that ill? Or is it now a psychological problem? She's alluded to strained relationships with her sibling and father, basically that they're liars and cruel and purposely do things to make her sicker, lie to social workers and doctors to get her in trouble. When I probe on why they'd do that, I get vague paranoid statements about her dad's new partner masterminding a hate campaign etc.

The latest is that her (wicked, evil, negligent etc) GP has delisted her as a patient and immediately stopped all her prescriptions. Trying to probe on why this happened just resulted in a massive rant about how they're negligent and have left her without medication that her life depends on, and it's just fortunate that she's been stockpiling meds for a while so can survive but just imagine if she hadn't thought ahead? She would be dead by now. This was all said at the start of this year by the way, but she apparently still survives on the stockpiled meds.

Basically, I don't know where to go with this friendship. I previously thought I was a source of support for a genuinely sick and lonely friend. Now I feel like a sounding board for someone with paranoid delusions. Lately, she has been quite rude to me in messages. Like, I asked if she's had any contact with Dave and Denise or are they still no contact? She replied that she can't contact them because the police told her she's not to??!! I was like "erm... police involvement sounds very extreme, how the hell did things reach that point?" She immediately backtracked by saying "you know the police were involved, I told you at the time, but never mind if you forgot, im sure your life is busy" as if I'm a self centred cow who had been told this but forgot (Not true, I absolutely would not have forgotten that!) But also nicely deflecting answering what the eff she had done that had required police telling her to back off. She then went offline.

A couple of last things. I don't think she knows this function is available, but I can see that she's always the first to view my Instagram stories, no matter what day or time I post. She also recently (I'm assuming by accident) clicked that she was 'interested' in attending my child's parents evening. I had just clicked that myself (Just as I know Facebook will then helpfully remind me that I'm meant to be attending!) And within minutes, it flashed up on my newsfeed that Mary X is interested in attending Year 2 parents evening at xyz school.
Weird, no? Even weirder when she's recently told me that she's not been on Facebook or Instagram since 2012 because she's been too sick.

What do I do? Sorry, I know this has been long and rambling, but I just don't know where or how I proceed? I know she's not really going to track me down and murder me in my sleep if I stop contact, but equally I don't feel right just cutting her off. She is still a friend in need isn't she? Even if it isn't for the reasons she's presenting.
I previously thought there's no harm me just providing a friendly, meaningless chat once a week. But lately she's been pretty rude and snidey to me and I'm just thinking why the eff am I colluding in this nonsense?

I don't know. Well done for reading if you've reached this far. Any advice welcome.

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TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 16:44

Arum, that sounds like a plausible suggestion for what's going on.
I remember a girl from my class visiting Mary at home when she'd been off school for a while. It had been engineered by marys mother so that Mary could still have friends despite being isolated at home. The girl, who was quite catty tbh, was laughing about the while thing and calling them a bunch of weirdos. That the mother would wince at the tv being to loud or someone sitting down on the sofa suddenly, and say "be careful! You will hurt Mary's ears/jolt her joints etc". They description made it sound like her mother mollycoddled her and Maybe encouraged her to be quite feeble? Not sure if that had a long term impact, even after her mother died.

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feska5 · 15/07/2018 16:45

She is exaggerating at best and being deceitful at worst about her Illness. Lots of things don’t add up. You are uneasy about the friendship and she certainly doesn’t add anything to your life. I would gradually stop responding, leave more time in between answering her and then bring the correspondence to an end when you feel comfortable . I’m surprised you have managed to keep things going so long.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/07/2018 16:48

Not sure if Sophie pretty much foisted Mary on me to escape! half joking there

That wouldn't surprise me a bit.

I don't think you're being 'catfished'. There's usually a monetary component to catfishing and I'm assuming that Mary hasn't asked you for money. Although I guess it could be considered 'emotional cat fishing' if someone makes up horrible scenarios simply to garner sympathy or attention.

I wouldn't contact Denise. All that would do is stir up shit that is best left alone. I'd simply assume that anything Mary says is 'exaggerating the truth' or an outright lie and let her stories simply hang there wafting in the breeze.

81Byerley · 15/07/2018 17:02

I think I'd gradually stop replying to her...

kathekollander · 15/07/2018 17:06

You sound like a lovely person OP.

It actually sounds IMO like the mother may have had Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Mary may very well have been very ill at one point and the mother liked the attention that she got, at the very least.

I agree with other posters, gradually withdraw.

Orangecake123 · 15/07/2018 17:07

For your own sanity phase out slowly OP.

Start by taking longer to reply to messages, so the next day instead of right away. Then 3-4 days later and so on.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 15/07/2018 17:08

If you think you are being deceived then you probably are.

What is the point of this relationship exactly?

TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 17:08

I've never sent her money or expensive gifts, I do send her things on Christmas and birthdays, although even that's hard as receiving post apparently makes her ill. So she def not out for monetary gain.
She has sent me things over the years. I feel weird about it, it feels like she trying to buy me. But it's always really random things I don't have a use for. Like cheap plastic costume jewellery, or a voucher to name a star, or copies of DVDs she's burnt on her computer, but like a stack of 60 in one go. I mean, I already Netflix and prime, so 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is always very built up, like I'm sending you a special surpise for being such a good friend, please let me know what you think etc. I'm always very polite, but will say I really don't need anything else etc. It often feels like I'm regularly thanking her for months for something I really didn't want. I can imagine if I cut contact, she'd be ranting that she's been so generous to me and I've thrown it in her face.

I think it is more an emotional need than a material one.

I don't really feel there's much to put in the pro column, but it's always been that way. But I've always felt I'm a source of support for someone who's life is insufferable through no fault of their own. So that was a pro - I was being a good person. Its just lately when she's being a bitch that I think, jeez - my life is hard enough as it is without getting snidey digs whilst trying to be nice.

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duckfuckduck · 15/07/2018 17:08

I’d back away slowly. Or I’d block immediately depending on my mood. Keep copies of everything tho.

Roussette · 15/07/2018 17:14

Yes of course you were being a good person TheExam but that is not something that Mary is doing for you is it?
It just means you're nice and if you put that in the 'pro' column you have to put in the 'con' column 'but she takes advantage of me being nice'

Ellafruit1 · 15/07/2018 17:17

What do I do?

What do you want to do? In all of this you’ve been looking out for her needs and feelings, but what about you?

People are responsible for themselves and she obviously has other people in her life other than you and she has medical care. A WhatsApp relationship can never add much to anyone’s life. If you don’t want to be friends anymore she will survive!

I think you need to start looking out for yourself and your own needs and feelings. If this friendship is draining for you, set clear limits for yourself - e.g. only answer messages when you’ve got time/energy to do so. You’re overly involved in her drama and you don’t need to be.

TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 17:18

I hadn't thought of it like that rousette, but you're right.

On a not entirely separate note, I had a pretty shitty upbringing and one thing that is coming up in therapy is that I have trouble putting my needs before others as a result of that.

Lightbulb moment over here Confused

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TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 17:20

Cross post ella. Very true.

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/07/2018 17:22

I'd go for backing away slowly. Think of it as having an 'emotional coin purse' you use to give and get 'emotional coin' from your friends. Each and every one of us has only so much coin in that purse, so much support we can give before we bankrupt our emotional selves. This is why emotional vampires are so dangerous. A 'normal' friendship means that in the course of time you and your friends, turn and turn about, give each other as much 'coin' as you get, or nearly so. You are paying Mary more emotional 'coin' in support (and in worry about what's true or not) than you will ever get back, and eventually your wellbeing will be affected by it. Even the continued need for 'thanks' for unwanted gifts costs you emotional coin. If (God forbid) you were to have a crisis in your life do you really think Mary would be there for you with support and sympathy (i.e. her emotional coin to give you)? I doubt it.

JennyHolzersGhost · 15/07/2018 17:24

Are you perhaps a bit of a rescuer OP? Wanting to fix things and make them right for other people ? Not saying they as a criticism btw but I think it’s worth reflecting on as it can lead to very unbalanced relationships.

JennyHolzersGhost · 15/07/2018 17:24

*not saying THAT

KeepServingTheDrinks · 15/07/2018 17:26

I like the expression "emotional vampire" used by ReevaDiva. I understood exactly what was meant, and it seems apt for your situation too.

I also totally understand why so many PPs are urging you to cut this person out of your life. It's relatively easy on social media to block someone. But I'm wondering if you feel that's just too harsh, because her world is very small, isn't it, and therefore you're a reasonably significant part of it.

If you don't want to cut her off completely (or immediately) then you need to find a way to make it work slightly better for you. Perhaps NOT replying to her messages on the one day she 'can' send them? I think it's ok to call her out on any rudeness or snideyness to you. Just comments back like "That's rude, I don't find that funny" kind-of thing. And then maybe a week or two of silence. She has much more to lose from your friendship than you do.

I wouldn't go playing detective with people you both used to know. What would be the point?

And, btw, I'm another poster who thinks you sound lovely.

Roussette · 15/07/2018 17:27

Think of it as having an 'emotional coin purse' you use to give and get 'emotional coin' from your friends. Each and every one of us has only so much coin in that purse, so much support we can give before we bankrupt our emotional selves

I love this Across and need to remind myself too of this.

eddielizzard · 15/07/2018 17:28

I think I'd take a different approach from now on and only give her the considerations you would normally. Don't feel obliged to msg back unless you have something to say. Ignore the window. She is obviously online all the time and not just on her one day of relief. You could start calling her on things. Ask her why she's going to your kid's parents evening. My guess is she'll get very cross and back away.

Thing is, she does need help. But professional help. And all that's happening here is that you're being badly affected. You do need to start protecting yourself.

Lifeisabeach09 · 15/07/2018 17:33

Cut contact ASAP.

TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 17:39

Lots of helpful, good advice being given. Thank you.

Not sure I'm a rescuer, usually feel quite useless and inept in real life, not capable of rescuing anyone (myself included). I do think it's important for me to feel I'm a nice/good person, even if it's at my own expense. Not sure why that is.

I agree that I feel it's too harsh to just cut contact. I will step back though. And I will correct her/call her on it if she says something snidey.

Do you think I should call her on it if she lies about Instagram again? Like, when I went on holiday recently, I only really uploaded stuff on my stories. When I returned, she asked to see photos. I already knew she'd viewed them on Instagram, so said "i posted them all on Instagram" but she claimed she hasn't been on there for years. I didn't call her on it and just showed her what I knew she'd already seen. Should I have said "But Instagram shows who's viewed it, and I saw you had"?

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Stroller15 · 15/07/2018 17:43

Oh OP you sound like a lovely person! I had a friend who did something similar, we only had contact via whatsapp. Everyone was against her and out to get her. Constantly. If I didn't reply immediately after having read her message she would ask why I am ignoring her. I gradually stopped all contact by first really replying bluntly or saying Im sorry I'm super busy and she eventually got the message or found someone else who would listen. She never asked me how I am and even asked me for money once seeing as 'she's struggling so much'. Don't let someone use your nice-ness againdst you. Flowers

Roussette · 15/07/2018 17:45

Yes, I would call her out. Say 'but I could see you've seen them on instagram'.

The only trouble is, she sounds like the sort of liar who believes her own lies so I doubt it will get you anywhere.

However, if you're going to keep in contact, you must call her out on everything because then she may get fed up of you and that'll be a result!
(not that you deserve that, you don't, you sound lovely, whereas she is just batshit crazy)

duckfuckduck · 15/07/2018 17:46

I honestly, thinking about it, would have a week or two, maybe a month, where you call her on everything and then just block.

TheExamStartsNow · 15/07/2018 17:50

Stroller, she does that. Quite often, she messages at the worst time for a parent to young ones; just before 7pm. Its a flurry of bath/pyjamas/bedtime battles. If it takes me a while to get my youngest to settle, I'll often find I've got a second "well, you're obviously too busy, I'll have to go soon. Shame" type message.

Like, I feel like I'm now owed a glass of wine and a sit down in peace, not a bloody guilt trip.

But then I get that that's selfish of me, because she's unable to have children and any of the stresses that go with it. I think that's why I've put up with her ways for so long, because I always think she'd probably give her right arm to have my 'stresses' instead of her own.

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