Aibu to wonder how you can claim JSA for years

[Talkativeparrot]

I know a couple who are in mid 20s. They have claimed JSA for five years plus one claims carers entitlement but does no caring. They get rent and council tax paid. Basically their lives seem to be one big day out. There are loads of jobs available locally so why do they not get made to try one. Doesn't make sense to me.

All I have talked about in this thread is one specific couple, not the general population. The facts are two people who could work, don't work and one claims CA for looking after another family member but does zero caring. I don't think I have made any comments about other people on benefits.

It's likely not JSA but something else they claim if one of them is getting CA. Plenty of ways round working and claiming sadly.

So one isn't getting JSA.

Yes it may be income support. JSA is the benefit I was told by one of them but not entirely sure.

Why wouldn't you look at actual facts and figures to back up what your spouting?

tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/long-term-unemployment-rate

Unemployed; 886.2
Jobs available: 818
Long term unemployed of 12 months or more. 1.1%

So there may be plenty of jobs... But there's not enough in the right areas to go around so finding a job isn't 'Easy' for the vast majority..

But of course why should facts and info get in the way of a bit of frothing and benefit bashing..

Klutzy, I'm only talking about my area and this couple. I am not benefits bashing.

Who is doing the caring for the person that requires being cared for?

One of the couple for a family member.

I have failed to find any qualitative study where participants have shared honestly their reasons for not finding work.
Statistics about unemployment are not necessary because i am referring to the MINORITY of people described by not me, but the op. Why contribute to the thread, you are focuing on unemployment per se not the topic. Thus your points are not valid within the context Im describing. I have already said that-but you are ignoring it.
I have said that there are jobs. Not that there are jobs for everyone. But that those who dont want one and say there arent any, are often not correct. But carry on if it makes you happy.
That long term unemployment rate is low. Most people find a way, some dont which is awful, but some dont but could just reject the choice to. Not all. Some.

I am also not 'frothing'-the anger is yours. Im stating a point in response to the op.

"One of the couple for a family member."

You have said that they are not actually doing it so who is doing it. Is the family member being neglected or are they pretending to need care when they don't need it.
There are a couple of people in my extended family who would say they get no help but in fact other family members are doing lots for them.

My friend has two childr n one 14 at the time and the other 2 she doesn’t get a job until the Tory’s came in and made it mandatory to start work when your youngest child turned 5 other wise she would still be out of work

She went from never ever having a job to be a childminder on 23k a year with a diploma in child care but usually people say their ilk with things that’s are very hard to disprove like badback or depression if you watch 24 hours in a GP practice on channel 5 their are a few regulars who go in trying to get the doctor to sigh them off theirs one guy who smokes loads of weed never worked since the show began

Several of my colleagues and I were made redundant a year ago, our jobs were given to people who live in a much cheaper, non EU country. Another batch of my colleagues were made redundant this year for the exact same reason, it's due to cost cutting and modern technology allows out sourcing of work. None of us chose to be made redundant. Some of us have been fortunate to gain new employment quickly. Some people are still looking for jobs. I was in a UC area and was lucky to gain employment very quickly, but I had to relocate a long distance. I am sure that many people would not be so keen to relocate. One person, had been made redundant several times due to no fault of his own and it was soul destroying for him to have been made redundant yet again. It is good that our country provide benefits. I agree that every fit, healthy person should work. However, I do have sympathy for people who have been made redundant multiple times. There is no mechanism to stop companies moving work to cheaper places abroad. Do you think that myself or any of my colleagues should not claim benefits when they have paid taxes, paid into the system for years !

usually people say their ilk with things that’s are very hard to disprove like badback or depression

I would love to know how these people do it, a sick note from a doctor is not enough proof. I had a very thick folder of medical proof, from various consultants, pain clinic, GP, With all my A+E visits on it too. And I was told I was fit to work, after a 30 min assessment with an ex midwife. The word of the ex midwife was taken over many other more qualified people. Oddly enough, mandatory reconsideration didn't change things and that had to go to tribunal too. At which stage I was passed before even entering the room as they had actually read my medical data rather than taking the word of someone who is employed to get the number of people who are on ESA down, rather than assess fairly.

Why contribute to the thread

You should ask yourself that question.

So far your contributions have been
Benefits are the most secure income
Which is bollocks
It's easy to get a job
Which is bollocks.
There's loads of jobs
Which is bollocks
And some random anecdotal nonsense which is pointless..

But I do agree that the thread is straying from the topic at hand which is about the financial situation of people noone here knows and that seems complex and confusing even for the OP herself..

So I'm off, I'll leave you to your delusions taught you by channel 5.

All those people complaining have you claimed benefits ? Nobody knows what the future holds. I'm working again, so I'm happy to provide support to others.

WAIT!
I've been a carer for 32 years.
I can get a goat??!!??

Why did nobody tell me?
Bastards.
All.Of.You.Sneaky.Bastards.

The most common exscuse not to work is I have anxiety.
Ignoring the fact that proof is required and not just from a GP but from a consultant too. Oh and when you fill in the fairly complex forms they don't just ask what you have but how it affects you. That too can be quite complex.

My sister is a long term claimant.

She only worked casually in her teens, had a child at 20 and started claiming benefits. She moved into a rented house and claimed housing benefit, council tax, child benefit, tax credits and income support.

When DN started school DSIS was moved from income support to JSA.
In the beginning she tried really hard, she did all the optional courses, applied for hundreds of jobs, went around giving out CVs.
But with no child care, relying on public transport in a rural town, no qualifications and a sparse work history she received so much rejection and negativity that after a few years of it she gave up.

DN is now in year 7, DSIS has been on JSA for 6 years.
She goes to sign on once every fortnight, she logs into the job centre website once a day but only uses it to search and apply for jobs once a week.
Her job centre advisor doesn’t offer any support, she barely spends 5 minutes speaking with her.
All she has to do each week is complete her agreed mandatory tasks,
Logging into the website daily,
Applying for at least 5 jobs per week,
Being available for work between 9-3 (School hours)
And look for jobs locally.
Nothing is said to her as long as she does these things.

She doesn’t bother looking seriously, she does the bare minimum to get her JSA payment, she’s been doing this for 3 years and nobody has even said anything to her about it.
She doesn’t see the point in trying as she is convinced that nobody will hire her, she thinks she is worthless and unemployable.

It’s very sad and I feel very sorry for her.
She’s so ashamed by being on JSA, but doesn’t believe she can do anything else.

Atomic - I think when she is switched over to Universal credit she may be in for a shock.

I can get a goat??!!??

You can but I have it on good authority from page one of the thread that donkeys are way more fun.

Oh! I like Donkeys too.
I even spend £4 per month of my carers allowance on the Donkey Sanctuary.
Are there two forms to fill out or does it depend -like a food bank- on what's on the field shelf on the day?

If I had a goat, she would be a girl and called Muriel.
A donkey would be a girl too, she would be called Maw-reen, definitely not Mor-reen...Maw-reen.
I would buy her a hat and everything.

Oh, they both eat grass don't they?
Or are there also foodbanks for hay, turnips, carrots etc.?

I could end up a total sponger Farmer!

Agedknees this group is very friendly and knowledgeable about these issues.
www.facebook.com/groups/618408238317462/permalink/1017311348427147/?comment_id=1017744801717135&notif_id=1531585844148928&notif_t=group_comment_follow

I have been wondering what I should buy with my excess 1-2k when I get my tribunal for my disability benefits. I was considering getting one of the mobility car things as I am told you have to put a deposit down, but I think I may just get a donkey. The thought is quite compelling.

You can get cars without deposit, Vickyyyy, my son has a Vauxhall Mokka, £249 deposit but £250 good condition deposit returned to him.
But next time..he's having a Donkey.
#compost #dualfuel #lawnmower #Maw-reen #hatswithearsstickingoutandprettyflowers