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to think CF neighbour would do anything for a confrontation?

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Muesli4eva · 09/07/2018 21:24

...and that I need to nip it in the bud now?

Name changed for this. I'm so sorry it's long but don't want to drip feed. Basically want to explain where the antagonism stems from.

About me, I have a chronic health condition which has me bed ridden most days due to the debilitating fatigue. I've had it for nearly a year and half now. Was diagnosed shortly after I had DS1, so still trying to get around it. As a result of the complications, I'm unable to raise our son and he lives with DM in another city.
I had DS with me for the first 6months after which my health deteriorated. During this time, my neighbours were all lovely and offered to help in any way. They bought and myself DS lots of gifts, especially this specific neighbour who had just moved in.

Old lady in her 70's with a son that has an alcohol problem and health issues. He's a lovely guy and we get along fine. She, on the other hand, very nosy, a gossip , judgemental but extremely kind.

During this time, she got really attached to DS and would always want to push his pram when we went out and about. I couldn't go out on my own and she'd always want/offer to accompany us. She would fold my washing that I'd put out without me asking. Always invite me to hers for a cup of tea to play with DS. Call me almost daily to gossip and complain which I'd listen to but ignore/not contribute. I'd help her with filling in forms for her, buying her gifts, cooking her food some days when I'll, bring her to mine when her son abused her. The point I'm trying to make is, despite her shortcomings, we were good friends.

When DS left for DMs, every single time she saw me, she'd tell me what a shame it was I couldn't raise DS - despite me explaining the situation 1000x. She'd ask why I hadn't considered moving to DMs city, why I wasn't making an effort with treatment and pushing doctors, whether I expected to live this way as it could be a life long condition. Basically guilt tripping me into bringing back DS.

At some point, she and a friend who would visit her would ask other similar but intrusive questions about my health and it got to a point where I could tell they were mocking me. I look healthy and very able btw, so it's easy to think I'm faking the exhaustion.

Anyway, I decided to keep a slight distance between us, as it was taking a toll on my health. Plus, I was tired of listening to the gossip. She literally has nothing positive to say about anyone. I mean it, nothing! I had gotten uncomfortable listening to her talk bad of the neighbours who were genuinely kind to me. The negativity would bring me down tbh.

Fast forward a couple of months, DS came back home. Travelled to get him but didn't let her know I was going. She called to let me know I'd changed and asked why I didn't tell her about it. I made some flimsy excuse but it was by choice. She told her son it's because he was a drunk that I'd stopped going to hers and why I'd become like this. I didn't tell her because she'd told nearly all my neighbours things I'd confided in her.

Most days, I'd be indoors with him and could only take him out to shared garden to play with toys. When DH would come in the evening he would take him out to stores and park. Whenever she'd see me, she'd suggest that DS needs to be in nursery as I couldn't cope. She offered to take and pick him but I politely declined. He'd been away for a while and I just wanted to really bond with him. Plus our budget...

Another time, she called to say bring DS out, he needs fresh air and that she'd take him to the park. Said DS was napping. She said, it's an odd time (3pm) for a kid to be napping. Told her she was very judgmental and had no clue that DS had been up all night sick and we'd just begun to both feel better.

She took offence to it. I didn't justify my situation to her as I thought by now she should be able to understand. She begun ignoring DH and I but would come out to 'play' with DS. I didn't want to stoop to her level so would let him. During the play, she'd make snide comments like "oh poor you, why aren't you going to the park to see other kids and play with ducks?","it's such a lovely day, you need to be out more", "need some more fresh air and toys, don't you?"
I would let all that slide because I know she's was hurt and probably meant well, despite being judgemental.

Couple of days later, could hear her by the window telling a guy that lives down the street about me and how "this kid needs to see other kids and she is worried about him. Mother couldn't be bothered. They'll both be sick in there etc etc". My new next door neighbour has had an earful of my whole life history too. She's been here 3 weeks now.

I took back DS to DM and stayed there a week before returning as I'm having some health issues again. Obviously, didn't tell her I was travelling. Coincidentally, on the day I was coming back she leaves a curt message " hi it's 'name'. There's been a leak here. Call me now!". I called her back and asked what was wrong. She's taken aback and says "oh the next door neighbour saw you leaving and my floors are wet. The plumber mentioned it might be from up the stair but he doesn't think so anymore". I knew it was made up but told her I'll check and let her know if our bathroom/kitchen is flooded. She didn't expect me back and probably wanted an excuse to have my door broken. There's a back story to her wanting to see my flat but this will be too long.

She's ignored me blatantly since I've been back. Couldn't be bothered tbh.... but today, I was putting the washing out and she found an excuse to quickly come out and complain loudly to what I assume is the Housing Association about drains, pipes and water on the phone. I turned once to acknowledge her but she pretended to be so engrossed in the conversation. I finish hanging the clothes, say "see you around" to her son and new neighbour who'd been called down by her to speak to whoever she was speaking to.
She loudly says, "people's house need to be checked by housing association. Can't be blocking drains and expect to get away"

I didn't pay any attention and walked off. Petty mind games are the last thing on my mind lol. This evening however, I've seen her throw out DS' toy cars that were left for him by our previous neighbours. She put them in the next close bins. He's obviously not playing with them but it's a communal garden not hers!! They're technically not bought by me but wtf!!!
She knows it was left for him.

AIBU to think she's looking for confrontation and will go to any length to antagonise me? I could easily get new toys and dare her to touch them but I don't think she will stop at it. Maybe she wants to get some satisfaction from seeing me upset/hurt/angry as I've not risen to her bait. I've genuinely not been bothered by her antics so far but this one has me itching to do/say something.

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Muesli4eva · 09/07/2018 21:28

Oh and someone anonymously reported us 3weeks ago for dumping mattresses and lots of other things that blocked the bins. It was a neighbour that had moved. Everyone knew she was leaving and saw her leave there. Called the number on the letter and they told us a neighbour said it came from our house. Lol

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Hendrytastic · 09/07/2018 21:47

Poor you OP, sounds like you've had a hard old time of it, and I hope your health continues to improve. Your neighbour sounds very insecure. I don't believe her behaviour is about you at all, she has a problem, not you. I am sure that the decision to have your son live apart from you was not taken lightly, and for her to berate you about it is unbelievably cruel. I imagine she's been hurt and damaged in her life and needs to feel better about herself by putting down others. Doesn't make her a good person. I'm just saying it's not about you, she would pick on others' vulnerabilities in the same way.

You have done so well to conduct yourself so calmly so far and I'd urge you to keep that up. Keep the moral high ground. Don't engage. That's exactly what she wants, but you already realise that yourself, hence your post title. Now that you've seen her put his toys in the bin, bring them back in every single time. Don't let her do it again. And never ever mention it to her. Not even an offhand "oh, I take his toys in now since some went missing". She will just say it was her, to goad you, and even if you don't respond, she's still got her kicks.

Take care of yourself and don't engage with her mind games, just learn from her behaviour so you can avoid her as much as possible. Hopefully she'll lose interest when she's not getting the confrontation she clearly wants!

Muesli4eva · 09/07/2018 21:57

Thank you @Hendrytastic for your reply. ❤️❤️❤️ You've made me tear up. It's not a position I would wish for anyone. It's taking a lot to ignore and focus on my health.
I know it says more about her but I just didn't know whether to let this one go too. It got to me.
She threw them in the next close bins not even ours. Smh.

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Hendrytastic · 09/07/2018 22:16

I really feel for you, life is hard enough sometimes without outsiders putting their noses in your business and making a bad situation worse. You and your DH just need to keep focussed on the future - good health for you, and your child back with you when circumstances allow. It sounds like your mum and DH are supporting you through an awful time. Thank goodness for family, amirite?

Maybe, just as a precaution, get a wee notebook and start taking a note of dates and things she's done/said? Not going out of your way to see what she's up to, but just so you have a record of things that have happened and upset you. For example the false accusations (which may or may not have come from her) of dumping the mattress, and it also sounded like she was trying to suggest you'd blocked the drains? Just in case things escalate, I pray they don't and the old bag leaves you alone, but it sure would be handy if lots more "accusations" come your way. Then you would have dates and details.

Lana1234 · 09/07/2018 22:21

You’re doing right not to engage with her silly games and it is no doubt absolutely doing her head in! She would love for you to snap back but I’d just continue on the way you have been. She really does sound like she has too much time on her hands. Does your DH know the situation? If you aren’t comfortable yourself maybe he could say something about the toys if it ever happened again cos really that’s just going too far. Just look after yourself and DS and don’t let her negativity get to you. Wishing you health and happiness OP Flowers

Lana1234 · 09/07/2018 22:22

Also second the notebook idea! Been there myself and it helps to have dates and details x

Hendrytastic · 09/07/2018 22:37

I totally get why her dumping the toys is what broke your patience btw. That mama bear instinct of "mess with me and my stuff all you like, idc, but touch my kids stuff and my claws will come out" mentality. I get it and I'd have been exactly the same! That's why she did it, she stooped that low, to go after your kids toys. What a total boot, who does that? But I think it just reveals her desperation to get a reaction from you. High ground all the way OP. You hold your head high. She, on the other hand, if she has even the tiniest shred of decency in her, should probably feel pretty shit about herself about now. Kids toys in the bin! Sheesh! And she's just stomped all over her own point of encouraging him to play outside with his toys!!!Hmm

Muesli4eva · 09/07/2018 22:48

DH just got back and I told him about it. He's fuming and went to get it back. Put it in its place. I think it makes up for everything lol. It doesn't matter if she throws it again tomorrow morning at 5am. Knowing her she'll probably chuck it out again.

Thanks for the notebook idea!!!! I think this might escalate as she definitely has time and won't runout of ideas.

Will keep ignoring and avoiding as everyone's said. No satisfaction for her.
Thank you 💐

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Stefoscope · 09/07/2018 23:11

It sounds like she's a misery guts with too much time on her hands, you're quite right to nip her interferring in the bud. Think of a few one liners to stop her in her tracks or even just say 'that's none of your business' if she's asking personal questions about your health and family. My next door neighbour spends all her time complaining about the neighbours and even things the lady we bought the house from did. She's a real killjoy, so I spend as little time as possible engaging with her beyond civil hellos.

Your neighbour sounds truly awful though. It's obvious to anyone with an ounce of compassion that you're trying to do the best for your family under extremely difficult circumstances.

BoomBoomsCousin · 09/07/2018 23:36

She probably would be quite delighted at a scene where you lost it, but I don't think she's looking for confrontation, no. She doesn't really want to have her worldview shaken. I think she thinks you won't confront her (because you haven't so far even though she's been pretty outrageous). She's trying to be Queen Bee in the neighbourhood and if you won't "play nice" with her, she's going to do everything she can to make you wish you'd complied.

There's a difference between calm confrontation and having a go at someone. If you'd stood up to her this evening by saying "Don't throw those away, please, they're ours." she'd probably try and rile you into a fit by telling you they were discarded by the old neighbour or that they shouldn't be littering the garden when your DS doesn't even live here, or something else hurtful or dismissive. And if you let that get to you she would be pleased. But if you just said "No. They're ours. They're kept tidily at X and they will be needed. They aren't yours to dispose of." and left it at that, that she wouldn't get anything out of it.

Calmly correcting her, especially in front of others, when she tells lies/does something outrageous without getting worked up or seeming invested is probably the ideal response. But that takes a lot of energy for most people and it doesn't sound like you're up to it, so for now ignoring is probably the best idea. If you don't already, try to talk to the other neighbours, though. So they don't only have her nasty take on you to go on.

Whirliegigspiders · 09/07/2018 23:48

She's a cow

Sparklesocks · 10/07/2018 00:10

She sounds horrendous OP and I’m sorry you’re having to deal with her alongside everything else on your plate.

Agree with PP that you shouldn’t even engage with her - I know she doesn’t seem to be talking to you now but if she starts up again - if she calls don’t answer, if she talks to you in the garden just smile and nod and go inside, if she talks about you loudly to others pretend you can’t hear. It can be so difficult I know, but those sort of people hate being ignored. It’ll not only save you trouble but will rile her up when she seems how unbothered you are!

TheMagnificentEthel · 10/07/2018 21:59

I had a neighbour like this. She would fall out with and have screaming matches with other people on the estate. She once left us a note which said a tree our garden was damaging her fence. It was barely touching it and on no planet could it be argued there was damage.

She wanted me to argue ‘are you crazy, the tree is barely touching your fence’. Instead, the next day I took a chair and a pair of scissors. Snipped the leaves touching her fence and said nothing to her. It took the wind out of her sails.

The next week she was in the street shouting at someone who she claimed stole her wheelie bin. Some people live for drama. Give her nothing. Be a grey rock.

Yes, feel sorry for her that her life is so meaningful this is how she gets her kicks but you are not in a place to help her. Probably only a professional would make progress (I’m not being insulting and have seen a therapist myself).

Be polite, smile and nod. You should talk to her the same level you talk to the postman.

Muesli4eva · 10/07/2018 22:26

Thank you ladies for all the replies. I feel so much better because you all put things into perspective.

I know it probably stems from something in her life and this is a way to deflect from it. I'll carry on being me and keep a distance like I have so far.
People sure do confuse politeness for being stupid and a walkover. 🤦‍♀️

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