To wonder why people think working class rasicts are any issues

[Metoodear]

Speaking to dh today and haveing a conversation about race dh is white I am black and both agree that people focus to much on the daily mail type rasict tbh I am frankly not worried about them as they pretty much effect nothing

Now your middle class rasict who can effect my ability to get a job
Can effect my university admission
And is teaching my children in school (we know their is bias in education)
They can effect my health outcome

It’s not the people who rage on the comments section of the daily mail or chat about jobs being stolen on building sites it’s the ones who hide behind the veneer of Libralism but put the rasicsim in to active practice

To be a true rasict you need power on the whole poor whites have non and are only a smidge more respected than blacks in the U.K.

Your post reeks of class and social privilege. Can you imagine what it's like being a black or Muslim family, or Easter. European or gypsy or any other cultural bogeyman living a disadvantaged area amongst UKIP and BNP supporting working class ehuy people?

My friend got turned down for a job in a local pub because she is black. I recommended her and when she turned up, the manager said she wouldn't fit in and then ignored her.

She'd come for an interview which she didn't get to have because that manager was a racist cow.

I left the same day it happened.

@Ghanagirl

Interesting you think I have low self esteem. Far from self hatred I am happy with who I am thank you 🙂

Are you calling my lived experinces ridiculous? I call things how I see it and thats how its been.

Its silly to say other crimes are white crimes I have not said that. Yes it happens everywhere but are you able to explain to me why most of the young people that have died in London in particular are black killed by other young black people?

It is known that these crimes are more prevelant in black communties in the London area particulaly. Fact.

Don’t know where you got mothers from didn’t specify them.

Anyway I have seen some of your goady posts around so will not entertain you much.

@itoldyouiwasgeeky

I agree

All racism is bad but if I'm honest being passed up for a promotion has never bothered me as much as the threat of 'paki bashing' from white working class locals...

If racism has to be tackled in priority order (and I'm not saying it does, just saying if) then stopping violence has to come first.

@EternalLife90
You came on this thread and accused black people of showing less respect than white people.
A attempt to derail a thread that was about racism.
You said you’re black then made negative remarks about black people as if we are all the same, I can guarantee we probably don’t have much in common, if you’re “community” is so awful do something about it organise demos, bake cookies, become the next MLK but don’t go on about lack of respect from black people.
I you talk to black people or anyone the way posted it’s possible this why you’re not getting the respect you think your entitled to.

@ghanagirl

You can carry on derailing the thread if you like.

I have stated that I want to hear back from the OP and have agreed with a pp.

I’m up for all those things if it unites us to tackle other issues as well. Seems to me your mad because I’m black saying this and you can’t blurt out racist.

Anyway, OP after reading some other posts can you see why it might be wrong to say working class people who are racist have no affect?

The way you blithely assume in your last paragraph that all white working class people are thick is frankly disgraceful. If a white person made a similar statement about blacks or Asians it would be considered racist. Social change can only happen at a certain rate and unhappily there is no reliable method of speeding it up. It isn’t all that long ago in British history that you couldn‘t get a job in a particular industry because you hadn‘t gone to the right school or your Dad hadn‘t worked in it, never mind what hue your complexion was. Judging by the diversity monitoring forms you have to fill when you apply for a job, many companies are falling over themselves to employ non-whites and thanks to the Race Relations Act, you can ussue a legal challenge if you feel you are being unlawfully discrimated against in terms of employment or healthcare. What you can‘t change is people‘s feeling of being sick to the back teeth of being hectored and lectured about how ‚racist‘ they must be because of their social class and their reading habits. Most of us are not giving you dirty looks on the street or worse service than other customers. WE JUST DON‘T CARE THAT MUCH.

It does seem a bit rich to be speaking for ‘all’ black people. If racism were that simple, why would other ‘people of colour’ (Chinese, Indian) be outperforming every other ethnic group (including indigenous whites) educationally and economically? Why would Indians be outperforming Pakistanis, and Africans outperforming those of Caribbean descent?

Culture within each of these communities is also a massive factor. It’s not simply a case of The Man keeping PoC down. To say otherwise is making excuses and is the equivalent of the angry EDL member insisting his failure in life is ‘because of the immigrants’. It’s all to easy to blame everyone else for output own failings, even when its far more complicated then that. The earlier poster talking about black boys stBbing other blacks boys does have a point. We are all responsible, and playing the victim, card is just making excuses.

Incidentally, I would also like to add that the girls/women in and across these ethnic groups also often outperform each other and the boys/men in their own and other groups. Again, this shows how complex a situation it is, and one that’s about far more than just racism. Different groups have different cultures that encourage and define (for example) masculinity and femininity differently. Attitudes to sex, violence, education etc all vary accordingly.

That’s before we get on to the socio-economic factors like single-parent households, reading at home, nutrition etc.

I am frankly not worried about them as they pretty much effect nothing

I fundamentally disagree with that statement. I live in a melting pot of working class racism and the results are - and have been - disastrous.

That said ALL racism is without doubt wrong and should all be tackled.

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Babycham1979 I thank you for trying to understand some things I’m trying to say. Going to enjoy this day with my beautiful grls now.

Thanks for comments everyone very lively debate
@JacquesHammer

As a black person the people who effect my life the most is not the man who called me a wog wile drinking a bottle of cider last week it’s the HR person who will put my African sounding CV a stright in the bin

By controlling a group economically you do far more damage to that community

With out economic power you are left unrespented i pretty much every sphere
Football for example how many blank mangers and owners are their

If you can’t even get past the HR deprement you never get to be CEO

If you can get into ITV you cannot effect diversety
If you cannot get into oxford or Cambridge it’s diffc to become judge ,silks ect

As a black person

I guess for me (albeit from the position of my white privilege) it isn’t possible to extrapolate your experience to other people of colour.

I did a lot of work with a project which worked with young people from another ethnic group. They felt the insidious and wide spread racism they experienced from the “fuck off bak to ur cuntry” (sic) was by far the greatest risk both from the position of what they feared might happen and secondly the fear that they would be goaded to retaliate and the repercussions thereof.

Many of these young people weren’t in the educative or economic position to even consider what the working world was like.