To want NHS funding spent only on NHS services???

[Tistheseason17]

I'm after your help fellow mumsnettters!

Please bare with me - it was the NHS's 70th Birthday this week and they and us are getting ripped off.

I am furious that a recent change in data law now means that GP practices cannot get payment for providing copies of patient records to insurance companies, solicitors or other 3rd parties preparing medical reports.

So simply put, if you have a car accident or trip at work, the NHS has to spend a tonne of cash providing paperwork to all of these places for FREE whilst money is being made by them, and the patient off the back of it!!!

People think it is just a case of someone sitting at a photocopier or scanning for 5 mins - but that is not how it works. A GP has to also check the record before it is copied to remove anything sensitive that could cause harm/distress to a patient.

There is a fab petition on change.org an NHS colleague has set up. It shows how nationally more than £115M of NHS funding is spent on claims rather than NHS care.

This will mean that your GP practice may not be able to recruit someone as it cannot afford to - it's too busy using NHS money paying insurance companies, medical report companies and solicitors.

This is not right. Can't believe no one thought about this impact before GDPR came in!!!

Please will you sign???

www.change.org/p/matthew-hancock-stop-misuse-of-nhs-funds-for-private-claims-work?recruiter=69615357&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook_link&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page

That happens anywhere your records are held. A maximum of £50 (I think) can be charged towards the work involved.

So OP are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to look at information held about them? Which is what accessing hospital records is.

The OP isn't saying that at all I don't think.

They're talking about 3rd parties getting information for free.

@NewYearNewMe18

The law change on the 25th May means GP practices (and hospitals etc) can no longer charge £50

That is the big issue.

They now have to do it for free and no one in the government noticed.

And that's for everyone.

The individual or any 3rd party who asks for it irrespective of the reason the information is required.

Hm,, i tend to agree. I think there should be a standard fee. What it should be is for those with the relevant knowlwedge to decide ie not me.

Digressing slightly if i may, there has been much talk of NHS funding recently and what i would really like to see is HM Government end the help to buy scheme which is flawed and corrupt and funnel that money into NHS and more worthy services.

@Limpopobongo

I agree and I'd quite happily pay more tax if I thought the government would actually channel it to social care, children's services and mental health. I have a feeling it would go somewhere else..

They are dying on the legs.

I hear you Tistheseason but i for one am not prepared to pay another cent more in tax for the NHS.

What i want ney demand as a taxpayer is for this Government and subsequent Governments to realise and accept that the money they spend must be spent wisely as if it were their own. They do not do that. They sometimes fritter it with gay abandon as if it were an infinite resource.

Now the example i quoted,,Right to buy,, all it has done is massively inflate the housing bubble,put huge profits into housebuilders and fat pay packets into boardrooms and forced people to pay inflated prices or houses that physically are not of that value.

I recently saw a luxurious development of 5 bedroomed detached Executive homes (?) with a right to buy tag on them.
Was this really what was planned when the ill thought out scheme was launched?

Ordinary taxpayers cash (many of whom are homeless or renters) squandered to allow the already wealthy the means to profit from buying luxury detached homes?

You don't get to hold information about me with my having the right to access MY information.

You're on your own on this OP.

@newyearnewme18

I’m not sure you’ve understood..

I'm intrigued to know just how much of the NHS budget is swallowed up by the pension.
I don't have the figures, but I suspect it to be a ridiculous percentage.

@NewYearNewMe18

I'm not sure you understand the post, OP.

GP practices do NOT share you personal info without YOUR consent.

My issue is that some patients ARE giving consent to 3rd parties to get copies of their medical records with the aim of financial benefit and the NHS is footing the bill for this work. Trip at work, care accident etc

The latter is what I am not happy about.

The solicitor, the insurance company, the medical report company and the patient are ALL MAKING MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF NHS SERVICES!

OP
The change is due to GDPR

organisations cannot charge and individual for accessing their own data

please find me the link that allows third parties to access it for free now ?

GDPR affects every single organisation
why should the NHS be exempt?

@mrcharlie

NHS staff contribute to their pension between 5 and 14.3% of their gross salary dependent on their salary.

The NHS contributes 14.3% (there is a .08% admin charge on top)

NHS wages are poor compared to the private sector, so the pension is the only real financial perk to the employee.

I think they deserve a pension for everything they do - but that is a whole new thread...

@Ta1kinPeace

Because it will impact on providing NHS service funded by tax payers.

Private companies are funded by shareholders, not the taxpayer.

Would you rather a nurse being funded or an admin person at your GP surgery??

link:

ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/individual-rights/right-of-access/

I was involved in a very straightforward insurance case a few years back where I was absolutely at fault and that was never disputed by me.

I paid almost £1500 in photocopying fees to solicitors..

I don't think that kind of financial burden should be paid by the NHS.

But if I can get free access to my information why should someone acting on my behalf have to pay for it?

OP
It affects every part of government - councils, schools
it affects charities
GDPR hits every organisation holding data about private people

and frankly £1500 in photocopying is a con and should be checked
PDF is fine for most things

No need to get shouty

I am understanding.

You're getting uptight about people who have had accidents and instruct solicitors to access their medical record on their behalf, yes? Seeing as medical negligence or H&S legislation isn't my speciality I would want to employ someone to do that on my behalf, yes?

So you are saying that I don't have the right to access my records because I'm using a third party. Or are you saying if I've been crushed by a fork lift truck by no fault of my own, I need to just suck it up and not sue my employer?

The easy way round that is for me to ask for a copy of my records and send them on to my solicitor.

The NHS is a squandering entity and a bit of photo copying isn't going to touch the profligate waste.

Ta1kinPeace what we’ve had at my GP practice and others in the local area is that solicitors are putting in requests for the records and calling it a SAR when in fact it’s not. The BMA have confirmed this and yet solicitors are still pushing us.
Every record that goes out has to be gone through and information redacted regarding third parties and any information likely to cause distress. This takes time and energy and more importantly it takes money. Money that some solicitors are not willing to reimburse us for any longer. Why should the NHS fund this?

The hospital I had my children at is still charging £25+ to get copies of medical records. You can view them for free. Are they wrong to charge this?

Here:

www.ouh.nhs.uk/patient-guide/subject-access/default.aspx

It is for photocopying.

NewYearNewMe18 Stopping the waste of money in the NHS has to start somewhere doesn’t it?
Also of course you have a right to sue anyone you want to. In the past GP practices have been reimbursed for the time and effort of copying a patient’s records. Some solicitors are trying to stop paying us. I would suggest to you that if your solicitor wants you to get the information so that you get it for free then they reduce their bill to you by £50 or else they will be making that as extra profit.

Arya
I've just done a SAR
if the requester cannot prove that they are the subject they should be FIRMLY rebuffed