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blueblah · 02/07/2018 18:20

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any kids authors or illustrators here? i have the skills to design, write and illustrate a book for kids, I am thinking an activity book rather than a story book.

something fun, themed topic, colouring in, facts, games, puzzles, helping to learn... attractive, cool design, colourful and a bit different.

If anyone has any experience of this kind of thing can you give me any tips / pointers?

if I produced a fully finished book (written, coloured, illustrated, designed) what might the financial return be from a publisher? I appreciate this might be "how long is a piece of string" but am thinking if it were lucky enough to be picked up by DK, Usborne etc etc is there a minimum I might expect to be paid?

Just interested to hear people's experiences and tips etc! Anything from approaching publishers, to what to expect, to is it worth it?

thanks so much.

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Butterfly77 · 02/07/2018 18:39

Hi I work indirectly in the industry and know that the children's market is the most difficult genre to crack in publishing. Don't get me wrong if you have a great concept and sound advice along the way plus get interest from the retailers then the sky is your limit!
I would suggest before investing any money you approach some publishers with your ideas, if you are looking at self publishing you 100% need to speak to retailers before pressing go. I don't know enough about the income/royalties side of things to offer advice I'm afraid but best of luck to you, keep us posted!

RhiWrites · 02/07/2018 18:42

I am a professional author and it doesn’t work the way you think.

Very few are author/illustrators, and publishers don’t look for a “fully finished” book to take. They look for a concept, decide on the basis of very little content and match authors to illustrators themselves.

It’s also not a job that pays well for the vast majority of us. It’s a tricky industry in which your book is considered ‘backlist’ by November of the year its published.

Get a copy of the Writers and Illustrators Yearbook and read it carefully before you approach anyone or invest time in this.

RhiWrites · 02/07/2018 18:44

Advances are paid in thirds, on signature, delivery and publication. Royalties come after you earn out the advance. For a picture book this might be as little as £2000 or less. And you will receive about 75p of the price of a £12 hardback.

SendintheArdwolves · 02/07/2018 19:17

I work in the publishing industry (used to work in children's but don't any more) and yes, it is extremely competitive. That's no reason not to try (loads of people are professional writers of kid's books, why shouldn't you be one of them?) but you will need hard work and a fair dollop of luck.

My advice is:

You say you had an activity book in mind - this is going to be a hard pitch. Most activity books are part of a series and are often collaborative efforts from a team, rather than the work of a single author. Publishers who produce them in-house will already have a department to deal with that - perhaps you could look into joining that team?

You will need a USP and for your book to have a distinctive angle. You want to stand out and offer something no one else is.

Publishers prefer publishing authors who are offering a series rather than a one off, espec of activity books. Think about what the next book would be as well as this one.

Do a lot of research into what is already out there and who is publishing what.

Know EXACTLY where your book would slot in - the age range, the skills covered, the teaching method, etc. Who would be your main competition? Is there a gap that you have spotted that only your book can fill?

You will need to sell YOURSELF as well as your book - what can you offer that means you are the best possible person to write that book? Are you a teacher, have you studied child development, fostered many children, etc. Think about what you can bring to the process that will encourage publishers to sign you.

If you are planning to create the images, you will need a rock solid portfolio that really shows what you can do. It's great (but not essential) if some of this is professional commissions. If you don't have that at the moment, consider taking on freelance work.

Money-wise, that kind of is a tricky question - but it's generally less than people think. Two grand would be at the higher end of what a first time author could expect (in my experience, but it would depend on the publisher). The vast majority of authors in the UK have another job or other means of support - it's very hard to just live on the money your books make. That's not to say you might not become one of the big hitters - you might be the next Julia Donaldson or Lauren Child!

I have no idea what your book is like - I'm sure it's excellent - but one of the reasons the children's market is hard to get into is because (and I m not saying this is you) SO VERY MANY PEOPLE think they could just toss out a children's book. I have read an awful lot of half- thought out submissions from (often) new parents who a) look at Where's Spot and think "I could do that", b) think that making up stories for their toddler makes them JK Rowling and c) think that their personal experience of raising their own child is something THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT. Approach it professionally, do you research and you'll already be head and shoulders above the vast majority of submissions, OP. Best of luck.

blueblah · 02/07/2018 19:36

thanks everyone! Such great advice here. Totally appreciate that it's a hard market to crack. I have a strong personal sense of what's good and bad as far as what I see on a trip to the library / book shop...this will hopefully serve me well enough!

I'm already an illustrator and graphic designer with lots of high profile clients, as well as editing experience (different sector) for magazines, and also sales, which is why I think I might be able to have a good shot at it. Will also consult with other people on the writing side to check opinons and ideas before charging ahead with the whole thing!

I'd just like to try my hand - maybe do a cover design and a few pages or chapter of a book and see where it goes. Some great advice there about thinking onto the other books in the series! I did have a series in mind.

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Crimbles · 02/07/2018 19:56

You have had some excellent advice already.

How about some freelance work as a starting point? A smaller publishing house like the one I have spent the last 10 years at employed no internal creative staff. I outsourced everything to external freelance designers, writers and illustrators. It would certainly give you a foot in the door. You'll need a portfolio - study the various websites and try and work our where you style sits publisher wise. It's no good targeting a trade publisher with mass market designs and vice versa.

I built up a great relationship with my 'team' and they had a lot of input when it came to the titles they produced for the company.

Butterfly77 · 03/07/2018 10:30

@SendintheArdwolves brilliant advice.... I think you have completely covered everything OP needs to consider, you should be a publishing consultant (if you aren't!),

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