... to think women need protection from hate?

[LisaTheMug]

All police forces have made a specific list of specific social sub groups, who must not be offended, insulted or verbally abused. Doing so constitutes a "hate crime".

The protected groups are:

disability
race or ethnicity
religion or belief
sexual orientation
transgender identity

As you see, women are not included.

Surrey Police has made the decision to include alternative subcultures, for example "Goth" "Emo", "Punk". But even they still exclude women.

I don't know about you, but since childhood I have experienced rather a lot of offensive, derogatory, insulting and indeed threatening comments made to me purely because I am a woman.

And yet it's like the police are saying that's OK.

Do you think women should start a campaign to be included on the list?

Eurghh, God no! We're too PC as it is!

A kind lady has sent me this:

In England and Wales the monitored strands of hate crime are:

racially and religiously aggravated;
homophobic, biphobic and transphobic; and
disability hate crime.

These strands are covered by legislation (sections 28-32 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and sections 145 and 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003) which allows prosecutors to apply for an uplift in sentence for those convicted of a hate crime.

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.

www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime

before the current shit storm I'd have said no

but now I say yes.

No, No, No ....

No, not really. If you include women as a generic term, there won't be many people left. And no, I've never been targeted by offensive, (what you said) comments because I'm a woman. Do you maybe come under one of the protected categories anyway? Race, sex, disability, religion, sexual orientation etc.?

No I do not.

What you are suggesting is sex discrimination.

I agree that sex, along with all other characteristics protected under the Equality Act, should have rates of hate crime monitored and apply for increased sentences when a crime is proven to be motivated by hate of someone based on one or more characteristics.

However, the current hate crime (and even more hate speech) legislation is so nebulous that I do not think just tacking further characteristics will be have the benefits that most people want. While I think more should be covered, I think it needs to be better and more tightly defined as well as a priority.

Nope, no way. Being female is not the same as any of those and should not be on the list. It's not a hate crime in the way that comments towards those groups listed would be.

Absolutely not. And really sexist by the wat

Way

Ladies, we should all move to Durham! Its police force includes sex on the list! And pregnancy! Yay!

Age
Race
Religion or Belief
Sex
Sexual Orientation
Disability
Pregnancy or Maternity
Marriage or Civil Partnerships
Gender reassignment
Alternative lifestyles and sub cultures

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Surely the fact that ONE police force has included sex gives us a better case to argue for it being rolled out countrywide?

wrenika I can't see why you think that a man hurling abuse at a woman just because she is a woman should not be illegal, but a similar act towards, say, a gay man, or a Christian, should.

Please explain.

singlenotsingle you asked if I come under another category and you list:

"Race, sex, disability, religion, sexual orientation etc".

The whole point of my OP is that sex isn't included. But as I am a straight, white, able bodied atheist, but none of those characteristics have ever been the reason for the shouted abuse, no, it cannot be for anything other than being a woman.

@SugarisAmazing

what do you mean by PC?

Do you feel PC-ness led to this headline?

www.lbc.co.uk/news/crime-caught-camera/tube-horror-women-man-attack-leicester-square/

look carefully at the "women" carrying out the attack.

Bloody hell, shocking responses.
Thank god for the feminist board here is all I can say.

OP -OMD Durham is on our list of places to move!!

"Eurghh, God no! We're too PC as it is!"

How so, exactly?

And as for the footage of the 'women' attacking that poor bloke - it is absolutely outrageous that these violent men in dresses and wigs are being called women.
Real, proper, natal women need to wake up pretty quickly and see what is happening around us.

And I imagine that some idiot will probably report me and I will get another strike for pointing out the fucking obvious.
But...no fucks given. It needs to said.

Weird how they are reported as trans when they are victims, but women when they are perps.

Why do some posters think that it's sexist to think that people shouldn't be discriminated on the basis of sex?!

Because they are a little bit hard of thinking.

Yes, my eyes have been opened recently by the intimidation tactics used to silence women from organising and talking about how a social change could affect women. The silence of the political classes in condemning this is disgraceful. I am not sure I really agree with 'hate crime' laws, but, being as they exist, there is very obviously a lot of hatred being targeted at women because they are women talking about issues affecting women, so absolutely, women should be on that list.

Did Nottingham not trial recording misogyny as a hate crime at one point? Does anyone know how that went?

Please, I beg, you all, don't turn this into a thread about trans people. The thread will just get deleted and this important topic will not ever be debated.

This thread is absolutely not about trans issues.

Thank you x

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/amber-rudd-misogyny-hate-crime-change-law-prejudice-women-home-secretary-greens-mps-charities-a8196786.html%3famp

Here’s an article from the independent about it, good article apart from conflating sex with gender. Nottingham list Misogyny as a hate crime on their website.