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Employee forging names

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 08:56

What would you do if a employee wrote a email slating you, signed it off with every name in the department (15 people) but the other employees didn't even knew of the emails existence?

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Pandora79 · 26/06/2018 08:59

Well I would follow proper procedure. And look at wether the email had any merit.

I would want to know why they had includes everyone's names on it if they had no clue about it.

My guess would be that they did know and have bottles it and are dropping their colleague in the shit.

It was an email, so the person that wrote it knows that it's clear it came from them.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 26/06/2018 09:02

Take the email to HR in the first instance, raise a grievance and let them conduct an investigation. This is bullying, never mind the fact of whether the other people were aware or not.

Pandora79 · 26/06/2018 09:06

Can you also define slating?

Was it a professional email that raised genuine and relevant concerns or did it slag you off.

Also how did you see this email?

Snowysky20009 · 26/06/2018 09:09

How do you know the other 15 don't know about it?

Was it personal or work related?

Snowysky20009 · 26/06/2018 09:11

Also what do you mean by slating?

X everyone's pissed off with you hogging the top tier of the fridge

X everyone feels that you are not pulling your weight

^ what type of slating???

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 09:19

It went on for 3 pages, issues such as not liking having a seating plan in place , not being in the same team as mates, not getting a free water bottle from our client and not being allowed to wear headphones to listen to music (this is a call centre)

My line manager brought each person in one by one to see what their concerns were and they did not know about the email. A couple knew that the person was sending it but didn't agree with it.

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Pandora79 · 26/06/2018 09:21

How is that slating you?

I am from a call centre background and am unsure how those issues are down to you?

PolkerrisBeach · 26/06/2018 09:22

Sack them if they've been there for less than 2 years, manage them out otherwise.

No company needs someone like that.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 26/06/2018 09:28

Are you a team supervisor and someone in your team has written an epic rant and said the whole team agree. Now it turns out most of the team either don't agree, don't know or at minimum felt the email was misguided.

I would discuss with your line manager how to deal with the individual behind the email. Are any of their concerns legitimate, why did they appoint themselves team spokesperson etc.
Then follow your companies internal disciplinary procedure to the letter.

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 09:29

The email listed these points and said because I had implemented these changes, such as changing the teams around and creating a seating plan, that I was treating them like children and I have created a hostile work environment (!)

When this is just normal practice no?

I changed the teams and made a seating plan as I had new people joining - aka not to create a hostile work environment!

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Biker47 · 26/06/2018 09:30

Sounds like the email was written by some 13 year old schoolkid because of the things they're chosen to pick a battle about, can only assume they're fresh out of school or something, if so they're in for a shock about the real world. If they're an older person, dear me.

Uncreative · 26/06/2018 09:31

it sounds like they have listed petty grievances rather than professional criticisms.

As such, speak to your manager, describe the situation as I have above, respectfully suggest that the working relationship has broken down on both sides (the letter writer has lost confidence in you and you in them) to such an extent that it might be better if they were placed in a different team and if that is not possible, how does your manager advise you to handle it in future.

The letter writer sounds like a muppet, btw.

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 09:32

Some of the team are on mat leave or sick leave too so they wouldn't have even been in the office to see these changes!

Would this count as gross misconduct?

It's not so much what's in the email, petty and Immature as it is.

It's more that 15 people had their names signed to something they didn't agree to.

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Uncreative · 26/06/2018 09:33

Changing the teams around, particularly with new joiners, is standard practice. How else would they learn? It is not a hostile work environment. Might be creating one for you though.......

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 26/06/2018 09:33

What happened that that individual - did you move their desk?

Read a copy of Who moved my cheese? It's all about this sort of irritating nonsense at work.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 26/06/2018 09:34

I work in a contact centre as management.

There’s always one (at least) who thinks they’re above everyone else and are untouchable. I would follow procedure.

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 09:35

I moved him about 2 meters across the office and in-between two new starts, the same as everyone else.

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Uncreative · 26/06/2018 09:36

The definition of gross misconduct will depend on your company policy. I think you can at the very least give this person a bit of a smack down for it. Depending on how pissed off you are (judging by your posts, very) you could say you are following standard industry practices and this letter which to be from so many people who are are now denying it is an example of bullying and it is creating a hostile work environment for you by undermining your leadership. If nobody is willing to back the letter writer up, it should be fairly easy to take that course of action.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 26/06/2018 09:37

I work in a well paid job in financial services. I expect to be moved around to accommodate new people, new team set ups etc. at least every 12-18 months - in fact I have moved 4 times in the last 14 months. I just see it as a reminder to clear the crap out of my desk and have a good tidy up.

You can't decide for yourself if it is gross misconduct. You need to follow the company's disciplinary process properly.

TheLionRoars1110 · 26/06/2018 09:39

Just leave it to HR OP. I'm sure the people who's names were signed to the email will be having words with him and HR will be undertaking a formal review and deciding whether or not it amounts to gross misconduct. The less you involve yourself the better.
There's always one...

greendale17 · 26/06/2018 09:42

I would raise it with HR. If that person has been there less than 2 years I would get rid- they have acted very dishonestly including names of people that didn’t give their permission.

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Yoyooo · 26/06/2018 09:44

I have raised it with HR just waiting for a response now.

He has been with the company for less than 2 years.

He has made a pretty bad name for himself in the past so I will be very shocked if nothing gets done about this. I don't want it to set a precedent .

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LoveInTokyo · 26/06/2018 09:47

Sack him!

TheFaerieQueene · 26/06/2018 09:48

I think the biggest issue is adding people’s names to a document when they haven’t given authority. This is the route you need to pursue.

Jappydooda · 26/06/2018 09:48

He wouldn't like where I used to work - we didn't have allocated desks at all - you just took your laptop, keyboard, headphones and mouse and sat anywhere you liked - any floor, any department, any seat, a different building if you wanted (we had three divisions on one site with three separate buildings). Didn't even have to be in the office, you could be in the atrium, the restaurant, a pod, the garden....... choice was yours.

Made it fun for the manager to track you down, though!

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