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Sexless relationship - advice/guidance/words of wisdom please!

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CalishataFolkart · 20/06/2018 23:31

Hello all (have put this in Relationships as well, but posting here for traffic - sorry if that's a faux pas)

Posting on behalf of a friend (40) really needing advice on how to start the conversation with her DP (45) regarding the lack of sex in their relationship.

Please take it as read that she absolutely KNOWS that they need to talk, it’s just suggestions of how to go about it that are being asked for.

Background - together for 3.5 years, sex was fine in the first year but nothing for the last two. No major events, it just kind of petered out.

There have been MH and weight issues on both sides leading to low self-esteem, but my friend is dealing with hers. He has started going to the gym but his MH remains a problem (anxiety) which medication doesn’t help.

She has once raised the subject saying she felt they would never have sex again and he replied, “We will!” but the conversation went no further.

She doesn’t want him to feel obliged to “perform” but does feel something is missing from the relationship.

So as not to dripfeed his anxiety has made him quite adept at avoiding situations he cannot/doesn’t want to deal with and he often puts up barriers to even reasonable suggestions.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? How did you start the conversation if you did resolve it? Any advice is gratefully received as this is a man she loves and wants to spend her life with, but this is a big problem.

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Monty27 · 20/06/2018 23:34

Is there any steroids involved in this gym stuff?

CalishataFolkart · 20/06/2018 23:37

Monty27 - absolutely not. Can say this for definite because it's something he used to use years before the relationship and friend knows the effect it would physically have on him based on photos of that time.

His gym attendance has only picked up in recent months as well.

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CalishataFolkart · 20/06/2018 23:50

Thank you for the reply though.

The short version of the problem is "How to start the conversation?"

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ShastaBeast · 20/06/2018 23:51

Anti depressants are notorious for suppressing sex drive if they are being used. But men can have loads of hang ups like women, and they can have reduced drives as they get older too - I remember a friend complaining about her older husband when he was in his 40s. I’d say no sex after 18 months is pretty weird, especially if there are no kids.

It won’t be easy and he may get defensive or avoid it but it’s worth trying to address before deciding whether she can live with it, although why it’s taken two years is perplexing. I’ve tackled similar but after much shorter timescales - getting used to solo activities was a factor, and general stress and exhaustion of having kids so not making the effort.

CalishataFolkart · 21/06/2018 00:03

Thank you Shasta. They don't live in the same city which is probably why it has taken two years to come to this point. They're looking at moving in together within the next year which is another reason it has come more into focus.

You say you have tackled similar. Could I ask how you started the conversation and dealt with defensiveness or avoidance please?

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RomeoBunny · 21/06/2018 00:29

At her age the short length of the relationship I'd be off like a shot. I don't want to go in to the latter stages of middle age not being fucked senseless at least twice a week.

AliasGrape · 21/06/2018 00:36

I have similar issues with DP, not sexless but he has a lower sex drive than me, and mine isn’t particularly high. I initiated the conversation first drunk, on holiday and by basically saying we’d not had sex all holiday and going ‘what is wrong with you?!’ Which I absolutely would not advise, but it kind of worked for us as it got the ball rolling. It helps that we’re good communicators anyway, after some previous shit relationships I’m very clear now about what is and isn’t ok by me and we’ve always been quite upfront about everything. Once sober, the conversation continued by me saying how much I love him, trust him and fancy him, and I want to be with him and make it work. I said I know it’s awkward and embarrassing for both of us, but it’s not ok for him to just say ‘I have no sex drive anymore, The end’, because that made me very unhappy and it’s not ok for either of us to be made unhappy in the relationship. I said I didn’t want to put pressure on him to ‘perform’ or make him uncomfortable but st the same time I like and need sex within a relationship, so we were going to have to work together to find a way to both get what we need, or risk losing each other which neither of us want.

It’s still far from perfect in that department, but it’s a lot better. We do need to keep talking, reassuring each other, and finding what works. He knows I’d like more sex in a perfect world, but that I value the rest of our relationship so much I’m prepared to compromise on this, like he does with some things on me, as long as he doesn’t shut me out and refuse to keep working on it.

It helps that he’s very physically affectionate in other ways, tells me how much he loves me, that I’m beautiful etc, and that we can laugh about it together. We have times when things are more ‘regular’ and times when it fades away, it would be easy to just let it peter out and silently seethe or feel shit/rejected etc but I try not to let that happen, I raise the conversation again, ask him how he feels about how things are between us, whether he’s noticed that side of things slipping again and what he thinks we could do about it. Sometimes it’s ‘sorry I’ve just gotten lazy, I know that’s not fair and I’ll try harder’ which is great, other times it’s ‘actually I’m super stressed with work, my anxiety is getting on top of me a bit and I’m getting really pissed off with you leaving shoes all over the bloody house again’ in which case I accept that, we talk about the work thing and how we can deal with the anxiety and I pick up my bloody shoes! It might be a case of ok well sex isn’t going to happen for a bit then, but I’m missing intimacy and need reassurance so please could we do x, y, z instead (eg go on a nice date, give me a back rub, have a duvet day cuddling and watching shit tv, whatever).

If they’re talking about moving in together I’d actually use that as a conversation starter ‘so I really do want to move in together and I would love x/y/z about it but right now I’m really hesitant because we’re not having sex and we don’t seem to have talked about that properly or made any plans about how to address it. I know this is awkward and a difficult conversation to have but I want to let you know it makes me feel really rejected and upset. How do you feel about things? How do you see this resolving itself?’

If he refuses to engage or just fobs her off she needs to let him know that isn’t good enough, she doesn’t expect him to suddenly turn into a sex machine but she does need him to work with her on finding a solution they can both be happy with.

I wouldn’t move in with him until they’ve at least had some proper conversations and he’s shown he’s willing to try to improve things. No sex and no communication is a ticket to disaster.

Monty27 · 21/06/2018 00:48

No problem op.
I would have problems addressing the conversation too, I guess for fear of hurting their feelings. So quite frankly I would move on too. Well maybe just cringe and try after a nice evening out cuddle up and if rejected just leave.
i put up with it for 13 years much to my utter regret

LapsedHumanist · 21/06/2018 00:58

Firstly, I’ll echo a PP in saying that anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication are notorious for affecting sex drive.

Could she start a conversation about them both envisioning their life together when they move to the same city/home?

Thta’s bound to be quite a transition itself things like:
Personal space
Organising furniture and the general objects you pick up
Presumably a new job for at least one of them
Having a joint social life and balancing personal hobbies/shared time
Having personal time

It could be started from the perspective of they are going to have more time together, less travelling etc- what do they want to make their life look like?
E.g. let’s go to the gym together twice a week, have a date night once a week and be intimate twice a week- once at the weekend, once during the week.

I think using the phrase “be intimate” rather than “have sex” could be useful. It can cover things like oral sex, mutual massage, things that can be about building up a sex life not just did.

Hope that helps and good luck for your friend.

LapsedHumanist · 21/06/2018 00:58

DTD not did.

CalishataFolkart · 21/06/2018 01:36

She says thank you for the replies, that all resonates. Thank you so much for taking the time.

She says thanks for reassuring her that this isn't normal and that no one said, "It's you, lose the weight!"

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