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To think husband is out of order?

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rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 20:37

All we do is fight and argue. We have nearly separated several times this year, we agreed to both try harder. I have to coax him to communicate with me. I have always been open with my issues. I have no support from him and he was pretty crap from I got pregnant. No time for me, dismissive, as though everything was a big hassle. Wasn't happy I woke him when baby first kicked. Wasn't happy my waters broke at bed time. He's very tit for tat and if I say Iv been up with the baby then he rhymes off all the times he's been up etc. I breast fed and didn't expect him to get up in the night, if I'm working I pack the baby bag, lay out all the clothes. Pre-make meals so all he needs to do is dress and feed. If I don't do these things then baby goes without or gets fed crap and dressed unsuitably for the weather. I live far from family so it's just us with no one else around us. There is no domestic violence issue at all just for full disclosure and so as not to drip feed. Yes he has some good points but I can't see them at the minute and tbh they are few and far between. He loves the baby, I have no doubt he loves me but he has a chip on his shoulder with me and is too lazy to put in any effort. He wants an easy life and a wife when it suits him. So anyway, there's no support and he listened to me explain this and said he took it on board. I asked what his problem was with me and he said coz I moan, when coaxed he said I moan too much and I'm always asking him to do stuff. Like clean the kitchen or tidy his mess...... all pretty standard stuff coz if I didn't moan ask then it wouldn't get done so he interprets my asking as moaning. He will admit (on a good day) that he is lazy and forgets things and only does half a job coz he will only do what he thinks he can get away with and leave the rest to me. He doesn't think and will happily walk past piles of mess for days on end, over the years Iv lost all patience and I don't ask with any sort of pleasant politeness. Nor am I cheeky, probably just blunt like. 'Get that moved, it's been lying there for 3 days' he will of course then deny it and start moaning that Iv bagged him instead of him just doing it in the first place. So anyway, tonight he was to clean the spare room for guests coming (it's his dumping ground) guests have arrived and there is still some stuff lying around, so ask him to move it. He starts to moan that Iv nagged him and Iv had enough so I start to have a rant, I'm fed up with constantly having to ask you, it's ridiculous just do what I ask when I ask and then you won't get moaned at you're not a child blah blah blah........and he proceeds to fart and grin at me like hahaha this is so funny. I tell him it's not funny and it's disgusting and disrespectful and he laughs and tells me I'm a bore. Please tell me I am not being unreasonable here, that's bang out of order? The man is 40 and we have spent the last year barely talking, on the verge of divorce. I continually tell him I need more support and respect from him and he thinks that's ok????

I work 6 days a week,cook, clean, look after the at baby. He's crap at DIY which isn't a big deal but he doesn't make up for it by doing more of the housework or anything else. The garden is a mess coz he won't look after it either. He needs coached in every single task he does. He's not affectionate and won't go out of his way to do anything nice for me. He won't even clean his skid marks off the fucking toilet until asked. He tells me it's easy looking after the baby and expects me to have a dinner on the table for him coming home as well as the baby in bed and the house cleaned so he really does have double standards as well as being pretty shit at everything.....god that turned in to a bigger moan than I intended but fuck me I'm on the edge. I'd just like him to make more of an effort and actually treat me with respect for a change

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Andro · 16/06/2018 21:23

rainbowfish55

He's not just lazy though is he?

He doesn't support you
He does communicate (coaxing being required every time means it's null and void)
He is disrespectful
He borders on neglectful with his child
He blames you for his own failings

On top of which, he admits he's lazy and clearly doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

Jonbb · 16/06/2018 21:24

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but why don't you just hire a cleaner? And I suggest relationship counselling, it worked very well for us, and led us to a better understanding of each other. We also discovered we are also both aspies which was like a ding ding, click click moment when it all fell into place. If you do decide to separate, it can help with that too.

Flisspaps · 16/06/2018 21:26

Violence is not the only kind of abuse.

Those who have done the Freedom Programme may suggest he is a KOC (king of the castle).

clyde5591 · 16/06/2018 21:27

Sorry missed your last post re: family abroad and your responsible job.

You need to start making your own plans even if you cannot implement them immediately, this alone will give you back some confidence, control and purpose. No need to discuss these with your manchild - don't trouble his tiny brain cell while you make your plans.

No idea of your financial situation but maybe talk to solicitor, CAB or a local women's group to find out your rights etc. Get all your ducks in a row (as we say) then either you or he moves.

rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 21:27

His good points...... he will go to the shop for me if I need something (as long as he's not in bed)

I toyed with the idea of a cleaner then thought that might just make him lazier? We don't fight when we are on holiday so it is the day to say sudd he can't handle. He lives for his holidays... we haven't had one since I got pregnant.

Andro yes that is the sad truth, he listen when I have told him this and Iv spelled out what I need from him but he doesn't get it coz he doesn't want to get it. I don't know what else to do. I wanted him to move out coz I thought it would make him see I was serious and that he needs to step up but he wouldn't go then we end up chatting and coming to an agreement. He complains Iv not been affectionate but I haven't seen a sustained change from him that makes me want to be affectionate. I'm not holding back, I'm literally just surviving, trying to enjoy the baby, work and clean and he comes last coz that's where he belongs

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rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 21:28

Day to day stuff he can't handle. Sorry

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rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 21:30

Jonbb Iv asked him to think long and hard about what he wants and tell me at the end of the month (he thinks I'm being ridiculous giving him a date) if he wants us to try then Iv told him he needs to organise some sort of counselling as we can't continue like this. I am leaving it to him coz I am ready to leave if that's what he decides. If he will try then I will stay and work on it too but I need him to make the effort and organise this so I know he is willing. He doesn't see it like this tho.

Also what is aspies?

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Birdsgottafly · 16/06/2018 21:31

Children who grow up with bickering and what you are describing, have no self esteem, it really isn't a lol'ing matter.

Your child is going to grow up hating the pair of you.

PieAndPumpkins · 16/06/2018 21:31

Honestly I don't know what you're trying to save. He has been unwilling to meet you in the middle at all it seems, he's disrespectful and lazy, encourages you to work more, you fight all the time, can think of nothing nice to say about him and have no sex life.
He's not going to change. So either accept that and him as he is, or decide enough is enough and separate. Easier said than done, I realise. But I don't think it sounds like you have a relationship left to salvage.

clyde5591 · 16/06/2018 21:33

Agree with hellololly a cleaner would take the pressure of in the interim and counselling whether alone or together will help clarify issues and how to move forward.

Thebluedog · 16/06/2018 21:39

I’m struggling to see what you get out if think hismrelationship. If you were a single
parent I think you’d be better off, one less child to look after

If he thinks you moan then stop but also stop doing his washing, cooking etc. Look after you and your dc. See how he likes it.

You say you think a cleaner will make him lazier? I’m not sure ‘how much’ lazier he can get?

NotTakenUsername · 16/06/2018 21:45

So he’s fat, nasty, dirty, lazy, treats you with contempt, tit for tat, transactional... but he will pop to the shop for a loaf?

I’m so angry on your behalf.

GoddessInTraining · 16/06/2018 21:55

If the only good point you can think of is that he might go to the shop for you then that really should tell you everything you need to know.

This is not a marriage, it’s not a healthy, respectful relationship. Think long and hard if you want to be in this position in a year, two years etc because if he doesn’t think anything is wrong then he will never change.

JELLYFISHANDCHIPS · 16/06/2018 22:00

Seems like you are waiting for a "proper" reason to leave, like DV, but you've already provided so many proper reasons.
My ex was like this and he did actually used to say well at least I've never hit you, as though I should have been grateful for that.
I had to finish it when we'd had two children together and he still couldn't drag himself out of bed on a weekend to help me raise them.

clyde5591 · 16/06/2018 22:09

Good on you for putting a time on making a decision - not surprised he thinks your being ridiculous as he has no intention to change nor believes you will leave.

Meanwhile continue to make concrete plans to separate, stop nagging (using his word) also only wash, clean, cook etc. for you and your child. Do not mention his mess etc. just step around it - this is a tough thing to do but you must - he isn't worth the effort TBH

rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 22:39

Thanks all for the advice. I have went down the route of only doing what is needed for me and baby but that's why he does step up and do his share then when we are 'friends' he thinks he can leave me to it. You know I wouldn't mind doing the lions share if he was kind and made it worth my while but he doesn't even appreciate it and is never thoughtful. That's what guests the most

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rainbowfish55 · 16/06/2018 22:52

That's what gets me the most.....

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Andro · 16/06/2018 22:59

Also what is aspies?

'Aspie' is used by some to refer to a person with an Aspergers Syndrome diagnosis, now more commonly referred to a high functioning autism.

Wineandrosesagain · 17/06/2018 08:32

Birdsgottafly is spot on. Don’t underestimate the effect your life with such a waste of space will have on your child. If you’re not willing to leave him then your child will leave you both as soon as they possibly can. Not sure why you would impose such a grim childhood on them though.

Troels · 17/06/2018 08:57

Who's house are you in? Is it yours? Kick his butt out, you could have a clean and happy home without him in it. He can play Disney dad and be happy on the days he has the baby without bring all this sadness to your life.

Flisspaps · 17/06/2018 10:47

High/low functioning labels for ASD are rarely used as they are not particularly helpful.

OP, I have ASD (Autism/Aspergers). It is not an excuse for behaving like your DH, so even if he had a diagnosis your issues would be the same.

He "can't" deal with the day to day stuff, yet he'd have to if he lived alone. He doesn't deal with it through choice, as he sees it as your job.

Sevendown · 17/06/2018 10:54

Man child ltb

I would want my dc growing up seeing this.

Sevendown · 17/06/2018 10:54

Wouldn’t

MrsMoastyToasty · 17/06/2018 10:58

Separate.
He lives in his squalor.
You live in your palace.

IdaDown · 17/06/2018 11:00

I wish people wouldn’t trot out depression/ASD for all the lazy fuckers out there. DS has hfASD and isn’t like that.

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