AIBU to have not much sympathy for local farmers.

[hairycoo]

I live in Scotland, and during the independence referendum most of the local (and vocal) farmers voted No on the basis they claimed a Yes Vote would take us out of the EU and that would be disaster for them ( cheap and reliable labour and funding I assume). During the independence ref the No side clearly stated that a No vote was the only way to guarantee Scotlands place in the EU. (At the time i was very sceptical of this, although this was not the main reason that I personally voted yes). The most vocal of them also champion the Tory vote. However they are now up on arms because obviously we are coming out the EU and they are now unable to secure the labour (apparently about 80% of the foreign workforce have stated that they are not returning next year). Also I assume they are worried about funding and any trade deals (i.e. with America) that may adversely affect them. AIBU to not have any sympathy for them and think that actually, this is exactly what you voted for?

A no vote was there only option. Independence would have guaranteed our exit from the EU. Staying in the UK gave us a chance at staying in the EU but immigration hysteria ruined that too.

If our farms start folding, you'll be suffering food shortages as much as everyone else so you might want to rethink your position.

They voted to stay part of the UK so that they could stay in EU.

Then the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU which for them made their original vote decision/a waste of time.

I'm not sure they are bothered about your sympathy? But they have a right to be upset that the vote didn't go their way much like everyone else in every other industry who voted remain and whose industries will be impacted by this decision.

Not sure why you are singling out the farming industry in particular?

Also as it happens, the concern isn't about labour generally in farming, it's about being able to trade easily with the EU, and huge concerns about the floodgates being opened on meat imports from non eu countries.

We should all be concerned about that really, not just farmers.

As a yes voter, who foresaw that we would end up out of the EU if we stayed in the UK, I have little time for people whinging about the result they brought in us, no. It's not just farmers, there are lots of people who tried to tell me that we would be out of the EU if we voted yes (not necessarily) but who are now....out of the EU because they voted no

@ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs

Voting yes would have put us out of the EU. We would have had to reapply, and would have had to take the euro and all the rest of it.

It was made very clear to us by the rest of the EU that there would be no special treatment and that we would not be just allowed to stay. They also made it clear that the UK would not get speicla treatment if we voted to leave... And they are sticking to their guns about that. They would have stuck with their rules about Scotland too.

Are you coming back OP?

I'm interested in why you are laughing at farmers in particular?

A Scotland outside a customs union and single market with England would be royally fucked. In 20 years time, with the right policies followed, it could go it alone, but not now.