To think that if you voted for Brexit becaise you valued British 'sovereignty', that you should WELCOME the opportunity for Parliament to have a meaningful vote

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Following on from my previous Brexit thread. Here:

It is now looking pretty certain that we will not achieve a deal with the EU and will therefore very shortly be falling out of the EU with no deal.

This is not what was promised before the referendum and polls show there is little support nationally among voters for a hard (no deal) Brexit. There is also no majority for it among MPs.

Theresa May has lied to her own MPs who want a meaningful vote on the outcome of the negotiations - she wants to force through whatever is decided behind closed doors without our MPs being able to have any say at all.

This is outrageous - if you voted for Remain, but even more if you voted for Brexit, which was, above all, a vote for the UK Parliament to be sovereign.

How dare Theresa May try to overrule Parliament and deny our elected representatives a vote on the future of our country, the most important change to our constitution and economy in decades??!!!

This is the OPPOSITE of what the public voted for, both Brexiters and Remainers.

Let MPs have a meaningful vote, Theresa May.

It was made perfectly clear to the public that their vote in the EU referendum would be decisive, and Parliament would implement their decision. So now it is being implemented. We are cutting ties with this political union. However they do it - that's what I voted for.

At no point in the run up to the referendum was this campaigned for as "advisory"
And tbh, the public did advise. By voting to leave!

They had a meaningful vote on the day the vote was held I am afraid

Damion green what a chance to reverse or water down so their pretty much is brexit only in name
I voted for our parliament to follow the wish’s or the uk population I have already had a life time of them following what the Germans want thanks

I like to RTWT generally before posting - I even highlight an OP's posts to try and keep on point (more or less). I was intrigued by the Title that suggested that 'sovereignty' was why I voted to Leave nearly 2 years ago.

I thought if I I opened the thread this would be clarified in the Op's opening post.

I'm still not sure what the question (if any) is that I may or mayn't post on. But then I'm one of those intellectually-challenged Leaver People so i might need it explaining in at least triplicate.

Ta v much.

The vote was advisory. But seems as we triggered article 50 I think we're past that stage

We've had a vote, we voted for Brexit, bring it on I say.

"What it doesn't mean, especially as it was a very marginal victory for leave, that the hard leave camp get all of what they want and ya boo sucks to everyone else. "

Actually it does mean that.

The government is a hard leave government, and the government can do what it likes, as a matter of basic principle.

There's absolutely no notion of 'well people don't support hard Brexit, so the government shouldn't do that'. The government is charged with implementing Brexit in the manner that the government feels is best.

Not consulting with the whims of public opinion.

Yes we had a vote on leaving, and leaving is not in question.

What we did NOT have a vote on was HOW we left - the type of Brexit that the British public wanted.

It is completely dishonest to suggest the British public wanted or expected a hard Brexit - literally no-one ever suggested this before the Referendum.

Farage, Boris, every right winger you can name claimed they were looking for a Norway model, that we would stay in the single market. Theresa May's red lines were just made up on the hoof - no idea where they came from, but they sure as hell didn't come from anything that had been suggested before the Referendum or been voted on.

It would be fundamentally undemocratic to force a hard Brexit - a no-deal Brexit - on an unwilling public.

Brexit - yes. Hard Brexit - NO WAY.

That is absolutely NOT what anyone other than a few madmen want. It would be economic madness for the UK. We need access to markets now, not in a decade when someone's got round to finalising some trade deals. How anyone can look at the complete and utter hash our negotiators are currently making of the Brexit negotiations, and think ah yes, that lot will make brilliant trade deals with the rest of the world, far better than the ones we have now... All I can say is I want some of whatever they're on!

"What we did NOT have a vote on was HOW we left - the type of Brexit that the British public wanted."

No, because that's not how a parliamentary democracy works.

"It would be fundamentally undemocratic to force a hard Brexit - a no-deal Brexit - on an unwilling public."

No more undemocratic than any other of the hundreds of things the government does.

'Willingness' is a nonsense, irrelevant concept.

The Conservative party has formed a government after an election they were elected with a manifesto that explicitly said hard Brexit was a real option.

The idea that the public has the right to choose between some non-existent imaginary deal that isn't even on the negotiating table and hard Brexit is completely fake.

The only reason for refusing to have another vote is because Brexiters know full well they would lose.

No, people like the OP want to keep having referendums until they win.

I'm still not sure what the question (if any) is
There isn't a question, it's a Leave bashing thread.

What we did NOT have a vote on was HOW we left
Yes that's right.

If the public wanted to stay in the EU, customs union or single market, they would have voted Lib-Dem in 2017. However, 80 odd % voted for parties with manifestos to leave both.
The idea if the executive being forced to re-negotiate is daft, because you can't force the EU to renegotiate.
So accept the deal negotiated or no deal, regardless of what MPs want, because that is the EU stance