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fridayisnearlyhere · 08/06/2018 08:23

We moved house a few months ago. After years of living in a small 2 bed house that needed far more work doing to it than we wanted to do we finally managed to move into our dream home.

From accepting an offer on our house and completing the process took 11 months. Only a few people in the chain but a new build house involved at the end of it.

When we received the fixtures and fittings form, the sellers of our new house wanted what we felt was an an awful lot of money for items to be left in the house (e.g £1000 for one particular kitchen item that they claimed was worth £3000 and was only a year old, but couldn't produce any paperwork to prove this, and when I googled it the said item was currently valued at £1500)

We were willing to negotiate so through solicitors went back with reasonable offers (or what we deemed to be reasonable) as moving with a small child we didn't really have loads of money and it would be easier if the items could be left rather than having the hassle of replacing them. Every offer we made was declined, stating they only wanted the original value stated.

The closer we got to the point of exchange, we decided that they could take the items and we would get our own. Just before we told the solicitor this, the sellers solicitor emailed ours to say that his sellers had agreed to leave the disputed items free of charge. I asked for written confirmation that all of the items would be left and i wanted it itemised as to what was being left, which their solicitor provided. We exchanged contracts in this basis.

Unfortunately it was 4 months between exchange and completion. On arriving at the house on completion day we discovered that all of the items that we had been told were being left had been removed, and not subtlety. They had literally been ripped out of the house, live wires had been left everywhere, holes where screws had just been pulled out and the house was generally in a right mess.

We immediately called our solicitors who contacted the sellers solicitor who have admitted that they must have mis understood their clients instructions as they actually had no intention of leaving anything. They then tried to deny ever sending an email with the listing of items however both myself and our solicitor had copies readily available.

We have had to replace all of the items at a cost to us of around £5000, plus repair works and not to mention the faulty wiring that we then found out that has seen half of the house having to be redone. We were advised by our solicitor that we should be able to claim the costs for the missing items back from the other party as they had categorically stated that these items were to be left.

It is now 4 months later and we have been going back and forth between solicitors and they are refusing to pay anything, stating that it is not their fault they misunderstood what their clients meant even though they sent 2 emails confirming what items we should expect to find when we moved in. we now have 2 choices - leave it and just accept the fact and chalk it up to experience, or take them to small claims court.

So I guess my question is - does anyone think we would get anywhere if we took them to court? I don't want to have to go down that route if I'm going to end up paying out more than we already have and not get anything back as a result!

sorry for the essay!

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prettyfuckingletdown · 08/06/2018 08:29

it sounds from this brief summary at least like your chances would be good - you have written confirmation and presumably the back up of your own solicitor. It's not likely that the other firm will keep fighting you I Court - they will have professional indemnity insurers who will most likely advise them to settle on the basis of the evidence you have. At the moment they are probably hoping you will give up but they are unlikely to keep fighting in court. You probably won't get back all the money you spent but you should get a chunk of it.

SadTrombone · 08/06/2018 08:34

^ what @prettyfuckingletdown said

Shit situation for you OP Flowers

Thehop · 08/06/2018 08:35

Absolutely go to small claims. You have it in writing from solicitors! The solicitors insurance will cover it.

Knittedfairies · 08/06/2018 08:35

I would follow through too, although I can understand how fed-up you must be, so letting it go would seem easier.

Scoogle · 08/06/2018 08:36

It would go your way in Court I think. But it goes into litigation rather than conveyancing, so be prepared to form out some money

ShatnersWig · 08/06/2018 08:37

Yes. Take them to court. They will always try this as they assume people don't want the hassle. There is a very strong likelihood they will back down before actually going to court but if not I'd say you have a pretty strong case. You've got stuff in writing from that solicitors.

smashhits90s · 08/06/2018 09:44

I would take them to court.

Softkitty2 · 08/06/2018 10:12

You have the written confirmation whether they mis understood is not is not your problem. Stop engaging with them and take them to small claims.

KarmaStar · 08/06/2018 10:44

Follow it up OP it reads like they are unpleasant people who fully intended to take it all along but said that to get contracts signed then ripped it out causing damage to cause you upset thinking you would not take it further.
If absolutely take it further.
I hope you and your family have many happy years in your new home Flowers

KarmaStar · 08/06/2018 10:45

I'd absolutely not if!

PorkyPortia · 08/06/2018 10:52

They are chancing it
Small claims court ASAP

Ginkypig · 08/06/2018 11:01

I'd take it to the small claims if it were me.

Blobby10 · 08/06/2018 11:09

Its my understanding that when signing a contract to sell your property that you are promising to leave it in a certain condition - which means light fittings in rooms and no naked wires! Any wires which are left after appliances have been removed need to be properly capped.

You should have a good claim in court, not only for the solicitors cocking it up but also for the sellers breaching their duty of care (or something like that!)

DownUdderer · 08/06/2018 11:10

Yes take it to small claims! If you win you get costs paid back to you as well, we even got our parking and mileage paid!

LifeBeginsAtGin · 08/06/2018 11:11

I'd go through the small claims court, if nothing else just to inconvenience and piss them off.

Browniebaker · 08/06/2018 11:52

I would go into the solicitors in person, give them one last chance to pay up and if they refused, said 'good luck in small claims court then' and walk out. Bet they'll pay up then as they will know they won't win. Its not your fault they are stupid and didn't understand their client and the judge will see it that way too. They won't want it happening so they'll pay up. You may not even have to go to small claims court.

danci · 08/06/2018 12:00

Have you double checked the email address they came from? You can ‘mask’ emails as coming from a particular address but with further investigation it can come from a different address entirely. If they’ve pulled a fast one and done that it would be very hard to do. You’ll need to investigate the extended details of the email to make very sure of the address before going ahead.

Sleephead1 · 08/06/2018 12:05

when we bought we saw solicitor and they advised to check the fixtures and fittings but said it would cost more in legal fees to fight them about it then the original items but ours was curtains/ light fittings ECT and they where left. Obviously yours is a totally different situation but just wanted to mention have you discussed what you would be charged by your solicitor? If you are happy with that I think you would have a good case

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