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Bullying and rising above it. Doesn't really work does it ?

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Stillbeingbullied · 03/06/2018 13:37

I am in my 40s, but I've been bullied pretty much since the age of 11 on and off. I had a really happy childhood on the whole. I was very popular at primary school. When we used to go on holiday kids used to be queuing up to be my friend and play with me (I don't now why - maybe because I was an only child which was a novelty in the 1970s).

Anyway at secondary it went downhill. Mostly low level stuff constant name calling but I was also subjected to unwanted touching on practically a daily basis- I don't know if it can be called sexual assault but I was groped, bum pinched etc by boys every day til I was about 14/15. I used to get followed home regularly by older boys too. I told the ones touching me not to and they just carried on. Teachers turned a blind eye although given 2 of our teachers were sacked for relationships with ex pupils and one (who used to tell boys where to stand under the stairs so they could see up our skirts Angry) later went to prison for abusing his own kids, that might explain why nothing was done. Eventually one day I had enough and fought back and nearly broke the ringleaders leg. After that they stopped and it was just the name calling. At 16 I moved to an all girls school and it was bloody brilliant. I wasn't scared every day (by this point I was terrified of boys and physical contact. As a result I didn't have a relationship or lose my virginity until my 20s and that was with my much older boss who basically took advantage of his position). Uni wasn't great though - I was emotionally bullied there by girls most of whom did it under the guise of being my friends.

And then in adult life, I've been bullied and unfairly treated at work. I still hate physical contact from men but it seems that you're expected to put up with it. Men pushing up against you on public transport. In clubs I've had men trying to grope or touch me more times than I can remember, asking them to stop does nothing. At it's worst I've just had to leave. Or sit down away from them. Name called by guys in the street - when I'm thin it's normally ' get your tits out slag' or when I've been fat usually getting called a fat ugly cunt. My neighbours and their kids also call me names and tell people I am a nutter etc.

And I've been rising above all this shit for what 30 odd years. Turning the other cheek to name calling. Asking the unwanted touchers to stop. But they don't, it still goes on, and they just get away with it, with being nasty and making others miserable. There's no day of reckoning or anything. No punishment. If you react you're told that's wrong and that's what they want, that they will get bored. They don't.

I'm so sick of rising above it. I've just been out in my garden and NDNs kids have been shouting hello at me. I ignore them because I know they do it as a pisstake. But then I can hear them saying yeah she's a stupid ugly bitch. Dad's gonna sort her out.

And I'm just sick of it. I really am. I try to live my own life, I keep to myself and I get all this shit. None of my friends have ever had this kid of hassle so don't 'get' it.

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TheStoic · 03/06/2018 13:42

I agree with you. I don’t think ‘rise above it’ or ‘ignore it and they’ll move on’ is good advice to give someone being bullied.

Vitalogy · 03/06/2018 14:08

Sorry you've been having a rough time OP.

I think one way of dealing with some of it is nipping it in the bud to start with, well, before it starts really. I know easier said than done but giving off an air of confidence. Then if anyone starts, tell them straight away. A woman in a place where I used to work, started up, I went straight up to her, right in to her face and said "Don't you ever do that to me again". Never so much as looked my way again. I don't like confrontation normally but if certain buttons are pushed, that's it!

And as far as I'm concerned re at school or anywhere else for that matter, anyone that puts there hands on someone else, they need short sharp swift in return.

Is there any chance of you moving OP, making a fresh start?

SweetCheeks1980 · 03/06/2018 14:10

You only get bullied if you allow it. Call them out and it usually stops, or a good slap if that doesn't work.

Sprinklesinmyelbow · 03/06/2018 14:12

There is something going on here OP. Why would you always be the person bullied and sexually assaulted, for years, by all sorts of different people in different settings?

It’s not really about turning the other cheek or not tbh- I think you need to look objectively at how your life has become this, and learn strategies to cope / improve it. Maybe a coach or counsellor?

AnyFucker · 03/06/2018 14:13

You only get bullied if you allow it ?

Victim blaming bullshit.

FatherMackenzie · 03/06/2018 14:15

There is no ‘right’ way to deal with these fuckers. Some people are just pretty horrible and will be their whole lives. It’s not anything you’ve done imo. So no, yanbu. Rising above it doesn’t always work, but confronting them doesn’t always work either.

I was bullied at school (by girls) and then at university (by young men). I sometimes get asked to the same events as the men, but I actually just decline which I realise isn’t the right thing to do either!

I’ve gone right off humans lately.

PastBananas · 03/06/2018 14:16

You only get bullied if you allow it

Fuck. Off.

mumonashoestring · 03/06/2018 14:21

You only get bullied if you allow it

Total load of bollocks.

And no, rising above it doesn't do any good either, at least not in a context where you're going to have to face them day in, day out with no support from anyone else.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 03/06/2018 14:24

Some people seem to attract bullies and I think the perpetrators sense a certain vulnerability that they can exploit. It’s horrible and unfair that some of the gentlest and most sensitive people are picked on time and time again. Could you see a counsellor to gain some coping strategies?

ReallyWTF · 03/06/2018 14:36

What Sprinklesinmyelbow said

InTheseShoesIDontThinkSo · 03/06/2018 14:38

You only get bullied if you allow it - what complete and utter horseshit! OP, please don't think that you have allowed this bullying to happen. You are not responsible for the hideous actions of others.

Speaking as someone who was bullied throughout primary, secondary and sixth form, I am so sorry that you have gone through the pain of bullying. I, too, have experienced it in a work environment but thankfully had support from friends who helped me see that a lot of bullying happens because the perpetrator is insecure. It's very rarely about YOU, it's usually all about them, the knobbers.

From your post, it sounds as if you have reached a turning point, which is great but can be scary. I'd suggest researching coping mechanisms and going to see a counsellor to chat things through. By suggesting that, I am not saying that there's something wrong with you. I think going to a counsellor and talking through all of these experiences will help you to leave them behind you, in the past. It might also help you with gaining confidence and coping mechanisms. The world is a mixed bag of people - most are nice, some complete arses but they have their issues and reasons for being like that. We cannot control others' behaviour, only the way in which we react to it. Try not to turn it in upon yourself and pity them for their ways. I wish you all the best for the future, OP, and hope you're surrounded by much more decent people!

Iseesheep · 03/06/2018 14:41

You only get bullied if you allow it

Biggest crock of shit said in this thread so far.

My son has been bullied at school for years. He’s the kindest kid you could ever hope to meet. We’ve finally had enough of turning the other cheek and we’re moving him to another school for a fresh start.

DarlingNikita · 03/06/2018 14:49

YANBU. I was bullied by girls at school. My mum used to tell me to ignore them and keep away from them. Useless advice when they were shouting names and rhymes at me on the only bus home/grabbing my bag and throwing it around between them/dragging me outside so one of them could punch me in the face.

I don't have anything wise to say, OP, but I'm so sorry.

Stillbeingbullied · 03/06/2018 14:51

I don't believe I have allowed this.

I am a confident person. People who dont know me often remark on this. I don't walk around like a frightened mouse. Not this would be any excuse for bullying me though.

I dont know of this has anything to do with it, but at school I was one of the first to wear a bra and had quite a 'womanly' figure at 12/13. I remember men staring at me on the Tube when I was in my early teens. I didn't like it. I was also much cleverer and perceived to be 'posher' than a lot of the kids at school. Similarly to my NDN, I think because I have a nice house and car, it makes them jealous or think I need taking down a peg maybe? I'm not sure.

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Orangecake123 · 03/06/2018 15:02

School used to be this wonderful place for me when I was a child, that I used to wish that it was a boarding school so I wouldn't have to leave. I was bullied at 14 and it honestly damaged me and affected my exam results. I started self harming because I was so sad at school. The teachers didn't do anything until april of year 9 and it was just a telling off to the group of girls . My self esteem was non existent, stlll isn't much better.

My parent's didn't change school and it was the same "just ignore it". I wish I had just stood up for myself but I didn't.

I would really suggest therapy OP.

HollyBollyBooBoo · 03/06/2018 15:03

Is what the NDNs kids did 'bullying'? Whilst it's bad behaviour I'm not sure as if see it as bullying?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 03/06/2018 15:03

This is NOT your fault and SweetCheeks1980, how very fucking insulting, victim blaming at its worst, some bullies do NOT stop becsue you ask!

My bullying started as a young kid, in school it was around year 5 of primary. I got sat next to a boy who was very mean to me, name calling all the time, and he physically attacked me in class by slapping me across the face. Another pupil went and told the teacher, she just refused to believe that could/had happened in her class. He then held my arm down another time mid lesson, and dug pencils in as hard as he could, twisting and stabbing trying to make me cry. I went to show hre myself, and she dismissed that the marks didn't look like stab marks. True they didn't, i had an allergic reaction to the colouring in them (coloured pancils) so they had swollen and puffed outwards, and they are still scarred now more than 15 years later. Again she dismissed the whole thing.
Out of school around that time, there was a boy 1 year older and a girl 3 years older who targetted both me and my sister, they lived in our street, and it was horrible. They backed me in a corner one day and squirted an entire one of those large super soakers directly in my face close range so i couldn't breathe and half drowned me, laughing the whole time. They moved on to getting all the local kids to terrorise my family, think having sudden loud bangs on the windows daily, abuse shouted at you any time you opened your door. My dad became physically ill with the worry of it all, and nothing was ever done. It took 2 years fro the older ones to grow up eave school and move on and the rest kind of lost interest i think.
The worst of it came in highschool for me though. I was the smart kid, as well as the fat kid, so i was the loner. I got picked on, typical kind of stuff, until a girl who previously used to actually defend and look out for me from the horrible primary school boy, transferred to the highschool i was at when i was 14. 3 days in she began a campaign of terror that almost cost me my life. Every class she was sat either next to me or behind me. She would whisper insults at me 24/7, throw things at me, tap me on the shoulder and ask for them back, etc. My so called friends, had her well and truly invited in to the group and stayed friends with her and just watched, even when i asked for help they refused, i could not get away from her, even at break and lunch. Yes i know these people werent really my friends, but i had no option, no way of making "new" friends the groups and hierarchy was well set and it was these people or be totally alone.
She would also do big events, she got hold of an unflattering picture of me taken without my knowledge, showed me it, and threatened to have it blown up and mass printed and posted round the school. She showed it to her boyfriend and delighted in talking "behind my back" but deliberately loud enough I could hear, about all the vile things he said about me. 3 months in she spread a rumour around the gym while i was still changing, that i was a lesbian that had tried to make a pass at her previously. I walked in the room to all these stares, her smug grin, and whispering, and nobody would tell me what it was about and all pretended it was in my head. One took pity on me and told me next morning at school, but even people i'd been friends with almost 3 years did the whole "It's ok, we don't mind if youre a lesbian, we just dont like you lying about it, so just admit it" shit. No amount of insistence i wasn't lying and it was a story she made up worked, and the funny thing is, it turned out later to be I was the only one who WAS 100% straight.
I had a day off sick, and that day was art class. A week later, as i was leaving school the day before next art class, a girl who didn't even like me approached me to let me know that the previous week, was collage work, and a picture of a hippo had been stuck in my book with all sorts of nasty captions written around it. One of them had been bragging to her about it, and being a sweet girl, she let me know so i could prepare for it. Sitting down in class that day was awful, they didn't know i knew and were sat clearly waiting, giant smirks, wide eyed, waiting for the shit to hit the fan. I'd taken in a permanent marker and just partially opened the book to it and started scribbling out all the comments, but i did see one had drawn a cartoon pic of me also, very unflattering and one of the comments i saw was how everyone hated me, why didn't i just kill myself.

It got to the point i was suicidal, walking out in front of cars on the main road on my way to and from school every day, hoping to get hit. I'd feel a tiny wave of relief when final bell went, then the rising panic before i was even half way home that i'd have to come back. I wasn't sleeping, i'd be awake having panic attacks til between 4 and 5am EVERY day, then up at half 7 to get ready for school. i'd manage to crash for an hour or 2 after school til my mum got home at 5, but that was it. I couldn't concentrate on work, was dropping from A's to D's, homework was going majorly downhill as i just couldn't bear to look at anything to do with school once i got home without a panic attack, i needed to block it out, so it would get done morning it was due, i'd get up 10 minutes earlier and rush it, sometimes it was only half done and i'd be trying to finish it at break time if the lesson was later in the day. Not ONE teacher approached me. I had no faith in approaching them after my primary school experience, but had one even noticed and asked it would all have flooded out.
It came to an end when i broke down one wednesday night, confessed all to my parents who were devastated as i'd hidden it so well out of pure embarrassment and shame, they'd had no idea. First thing Thursday my mum went storming in to the school (she let me stay home as i was a state), only to be told nothing was going to be done I couldn't prove it, it was my word against hers, they wouldn't jeopardise her education just on my say so as i could by lying.
One of the idiot teachers who sat in on the meeting decided it was a brilliant idea to go pull her out of a class and tell her EVERYTHING my mum had been in and said, including how nothing was going to be done about it. I went back on the Monday, which was the last week of the feb half term, and it was awful. Nobody would talk to me, i was given the silent treatment by everyone, those who knew me and those that didn't. The stares, the dirty looks, the whispering, she had told the whole school i'd falsely accused her so i was now a target to everyone as the snitch. Yet at the same time, it was a relief i wasnt having insults and abuse whispered at me constantly. I found out why on the Friday, as we broke up for half term holidays. Last lesson was PE, and as we were leaving, i was unknown to them, behind her and a popular girl, who asked her "Are you doing it now then, jumping her?" The whole school knew thsi had been planned, and it was pure luck she actually had had an emergency app she couldn't miss scheduled at late notice for that day, so she had no time but had to run already just at end bell to make her bus.
Needless to say, half term holiday ended, i didn't go back. And that had the unfortunate effect of losing all structure and routine in my life which allowed my Severe OCD and depression to take over and spiral and i;ve never recovered, only gotten worse. None of my so called friends ever text me to find out where i went, if i was even still alive. I got back in touch with one 11 months later, bully found out, and spread a shit ton of lies. She claimed when she contacted me to say she was switching to our school id told her about my friends, how this girl was seriously ugly and looked like a man, acted really strange and awkward etc. Also that i'd said my other friend was paranoid, insecure and obsessed with herself and how she looked, and was super dull and boring. Neither of these were true, it was her way of being a bitch telling them what SHE thought of them, while also getting them to cut me off and leave me all alone again, almost a year after she'd already won and forced me out.

As a result of her, i became seriously ill, spent my late teens suicidal at having lost everything ( i had been a straight A student with any future i wanted as a possibility) and i became a severely mentally ill wreck due to her torment. I was too ill to go to college, or uni, or ever get a job, my dad had to quit work when i was 16 and become my full time carer. Despite desperate attempts to access mental health care since i was 15, I'm now completely housebound as i was never able to regain the control i lost and i have no life. My family abandoned me when my mum died when i was 20, i can't make or keep friends as my illness makes them run a mile, cant have a relationship as i can't leave the house and have no prospects of ever working or being functional, im literally just existing while i wait to die.

I did what you're always told to do, ignore the bully, don't retaliate, they get bored and will move on. She found me on facebook at 18, gave a fake apology, when i asked why she did it, her response was "i was bored and it was fun, you did nothing to provoke me, and by not reacting it became a mission to find what it would take, what i'd have to do, to get you to snap". She then invited one of her old back up sidekick in and they started bullying me mercilessly, i stood up for myself and got a severe threat to my life, she had several brothers and step brothers, hooligan family all in serious gangs, and she told me my address and said i would regret ever daring to talk to her like that.
I tired online relationships, found the damage done to my self esteem and self worth just made me a target for users. Ive been controlled, manipulated, verbally sexually abused, financially abused and put down for the past 10 years, including the day my mum died being sulked at i wouldnt sex chat like i was forced to every other day for 18 months. Was threatened with extreme sexual violence including anal rape.
Before i became completely housebound i was also sexually assaulted in a busy Tesco not more than 10 feet from the security guard, by a kid no older than about 12/13. I was just filling out a lottery ticket when my bum was slapped and grabbed at. Spun round, a kid is stood a foot away, staring at me, smirking, a group of his friends just behind him laughing. I was too ashamed and embarrassed and thought nobody would think it was a big deal as he was just a kid so didn't report it.

SweetCheeks1980, please explain to me how i just "let" this happen to me? How did i have any control over what these people did to me, threatened to do to me, what should i have done then to prevent all this? Especially when the girl at school had literally a gang of back up and i had nobody, and all of them were more than willing to get physical.

winterisstillcoming · 03/06/2018 15:57

I read your post and thought are you physically atttractive/early developer? When I developed my boobs in secondary school, that was it. Comments from boys, jealous remarks from girls, even though I was the class boffin and dressed like a nun as I has really strict parents. It has been the bane of my life. Jeers in the street, groped at nightclubs, men literally talking to my boobs etc. Only a month ago I was shopping with a baggy tunic and leggings, half asleep and got told I had a great pair of knockers in Asda. It used to really,get me down, and I still unable to wear anything low cut or gaping shirts etc.

It is definitely bullying and when I was younger a swift one finger soon sorted it.

If someone repeatedly bullies i would confront them. I have a few stock phrases handy, like 'it wasn't funny the first time you said/did this so get over it please". I would rise above it when people are looking to wind you up or get a reaction though.

MrsBobDylan · 03/06/2018 17:31

Op if you can bear to, report your NDN for harassment - the kids relaying their Dad's threat isn't lessened because you didn't hear him say it directly. Keep a diary of incidents and deal with it that way. I can't imagine how horrible it must be for you in your own home/garden to feel threatened.

Your school sounds horrific and I think you may benefit from some counselling to deal with the trauma. None of this is your fault.

Stillbeingbullied · 03/06/2018 20:39

It's terrible that others have had awful experiences with bullying - Almost what happened to you is appalling, I'm so sorry that it has affected your life so badly. I know I'm lucky in that what's happened to me could be a lot worse.

I have tried to tell men to fuck off. Doesn't really stop them they just laugh at me. I ignore my neighbours but that doesn't stop them. That's basically what the police advised after an incident with one of the adults. I was told to keep my distance and ignore them. If the kids call me names or anything the police said I have to ignore it as saying anything to the kids will antagonize their parents. I am not allowed to tell these kids not to stand on my garden wall or touch my car (parked in my garden) because their parents then give me aggro and if I'm threatened the police have said they won't do anything.

It's shit. Unfortunately I can't move due to schools and such. I do feel I'm a prisoner in my own home at times though.

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