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To keep chickens

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Mirrorwriting · 30/05/2018 10:47

I’m in a built up area and really want to keep a couple of chickens in the garden. Aibu

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dailymailsucksbigtime · 30/05/2018 10:51

Yes you are.

They stink, they attract rats and the noise generally pisses off the neighbours.

If you want livestock them move to the country. This isn't the good life.

(do you sense that may neighbours may have chickens). I am hoping that they become red kite supper soon.

And before people say they don't attract rats- they do here- as we have had the council round trying to chase the food source of the rats as they multiplied which turns out to be the chicken run and the food/poo that they eat.

mummymeister · 30/05/2018 10:55

you need to look into the whole keeping of chickens thing and what a tie they can be.

You either have to build an enclosure/provide an ark that they stay in all of the time and that you move around the lawn or if they are free ranging with a coop then you have to be there EVERY EVENING without fail to put them away because otherwise they will get foxed.

with an ark, you need to move this once a week. chickens scratch the ground and have dust baths to get rid of mites so that portion of your lawn will be destroyed by them. moving regularly is essential.

to encourage them to lay they need cleaning out regularly - some people do it daily, others every couple of days depending on the time of year, numbers etc.

chickens attract rats. are you happy to deal with this?

they don't lay eggs all year round - only when the light levels are sufficient (this is why battery hens are in 23 hours of light). so for some of the year you are feeding them with no eggs.

If they are free ranging around your garden then they may stray and they will destroy a manicured lawn. our chooks eat certain bedding plants - crocus's, dahlias etc so we have to be very careful of what we plant. if you do this, they need a coop with a walk way up and you need to put them away every evening at dusk. if you miss a night, they will be gone which can be very distressing as foxes do leave "bits"

finally, they don't lay for ever, far from it. how will you deal with this? keep them as just pets or cull them?

you wont need a cockerel to get eggs but if you buy them as day olds or as chicks or hatch your own then you will get boys as well which don't really perform any useful purpose other than waking every one up, annoying the neighbours or if you want to breed them.

misscph1973 · 30/05/2018 10:57

Chickens don't stink. They don't attract rats. They are not any noisier than dogs.

If their coop isn't cleaned, then their poo stinks. If their food is left out, then this attracts rats. A rooster can be noisy.

If you would like to keep chickens, then I suggest you have a chat to your neighbours. We talked to our neighbours before we got chickens, and they were all fine. We have had chickens for 4 years now, and we have no problems with rats, smell or noise. Our other neighbour did have a rat problem, but they didn't clean out the chicken coop (as in never). They stopped having chickens and the rat never returned we never saw it near our chickens. We clean out the coop once a week (we have 4 hens and a rooster and they free range in the graden during the day). We don't let them out too early in the morning to prevent the rooster from crowing.

Floottoot · 30/05/2018 11:01

We have 6 chickens, free ranging in the garden of our semi in a rural location.
We've not seen any sign of rats in the 7 years we've had them, but then again, don't they say you're never more than a few metres from rats wherever you are, and probably closer in urban areas.
As for smell, we get the odd "curry poo", but they're fed on proper chicken feed, not kitchen scraps, and we clean out their coops every week or so, so no smell ( we use hemp horse bedding).
I can honestly say our neighbours have no issue with them and, in fact, people in the village often tell us how much they like seeing them in the garden.

If you have limited space, I'd say no more than 3 and get bantams. Store food in an airtight container, buy a coop you can keep clean, and use hemp bedding and you should be fine. ☺

TheShapeOfEwe · 30/05/2018 11:02

It depends but it's certainly not a hard no like PP's are suggesting!

Is your garden big enough that they'd have plenty of room to roam and scratch? Is it secure so they can't escape into your neighbours garden? Would you commit to hens only so no noisy roosters?

Chickens don't attract rats. Chicken food does - so store it inside and make sure you aren't leaving excess food around the garden and use a treadle feeder. Also make sure you keep your coop clean and you really shouldn't have problems with rats. In urban spaces the bins on the streets are far more of an issue than your chickens would be!

Also be aware that chickens will terribly scratch up your garden so not the best idea if you're very green fingered!

There's no real reason why you can't though as long as you're prepared for it - and they're lovely animals and fresh eggs are the best things ever!

ICantCopeAnymore · 30/05/2018 11:02

Chickens are brilliant, I've kept them rurally and in a suburban garden.

They don't stink, if you look after them. They're not noisy, in fact their little noises are lovely to hear. They don't attract rats unless their food is left to fester, or you throw lots of scraps in that don't get eaten.

I loved mine.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 30/05/2018 11:13

Love my hens! They do make a bit of noise (especially if they see a magpie or lay an egg). I give my neighbours surplus eggs.

I've only seen one rat and it was dead. (Not saying there aren't more. Rats are everywhere and my neighbour has decking with huge spaces underneath). Food is kept indoors.

I have massive a Omlet Eglu Cube + walk in run. It was expensive but its my hobby and I love seeing them happy even when I can't let them out.

They do tear up the garden so you might need to fence some off if you want to grow anything.

dailymailsucksbigtime · 30/05/2018 11:14

It was the poo that the rats were living off apparently. Not sure how you dispose of chicken poo from free range chickens in a town (To add I live in the middle of a big Town- not suburbia)

They are noisy, the lovely cockerel is on a 4am wake up at the moment- which is an improvement from when it was all night.

The noise of the hens may be lovely to hear if they are your hens but not if they are someone elses. They also drive dogs wild as they sort of fly at them as they are walked past. So barking and rustling.

User467 · 30/05/2018 11:20

You might also want to double check your deeds. Our house has a clause in its deeds that's we're not allowed to keep birds in the garden. I laughed at it but lawyer says it's more common than you might think. I'd also be very wary of foxes.

stillswimming · 30/05/2018 11:24

As above, they can attract rats, smell awful and make lots of noise if they aren't managed correctly. To manage them properly takes effort. Ours are in a fully fox proof and rat proof run, and have free range of the garden under supervision. Foxes don't only attack at night - we lost a chicken to a fox (from our urban, 7ft fenced garden) last spring in the afternoon, I'd only popped inside to make a cup of tea.

We clean out the sleeping area and nest boxes every day or so, and the run is dug out and replaced every month. Water and food needs attending to daily at least, more in summer. If the chickens want for anything they are pretty vocal and will let you know about it - ours will shout if they run out of food, for example, so to avoid them disturbing the neighbours with noise you need to keep them happy. They are also vocal when they lay an egg (as would I be!) for a few minutes.

They need a surprising amount of space if kept in a run (I think the recommendation is 2sq m each?) and this can't be skimped on. If they are too cramped they will sometimes fight and attack one another, and also complain, loudly. Ideally the run needs to have the ability to be covered - last winter there was a bird flu outbreak and all chickens had, by law, to be kept undercover for the duration, months on end, as a preventative measure. Many chicken keepers had to build or extend runs and outbuildings to facilitate this, so having an adequate run from the outset would be best. The majority of proprietary arks and runs just aren't big enough.

If you intend to allow them free range they can be fairly destructive. They decimate our vegetable beds if allowed to, and will scratch and destroy a lawn quite quickly. We have a large barked area and chuck seed down, and they like to scratch through this looking for seed and insects which keeps them off the lawn. However I often have to chase them out of planters and stop them eating/sitting on my plants. It's a losing battle. They do surprisingly large poos, in large quantities. You will need to pick these up if you don't want them decorating your garden.

As someone else said, they don't lay constantly. We have four chickens and get an average of three eggs a day, in spring summer and early autumn. Zero in winter. They won't lay their whole life. You can buy hens at layers or at point of lay, or you can buy them as chicks (or hatch your own) but raising them from chicks or eggs takes more equipment and expense. A cockerel is useful to protect the girls, but is obviously noisy - they crow throughout the day and it would be very unfair if you have near neighbours, even if you could keep him from crowing early in the morning.

It's worth looking into rescuing some battery hens if you do intend to keep chickens, rather than buying hens bred for purpose.

Pebblespony · 30/05/2018 11:31

Battery hens can have health problems. Ours lay all year but it wears them out. We've lost a few to peritonitis. Hens are not noisy. You absolutely do not need a rooster. If theyre kept vlean they do not smell. We skip ours out nearly every day using a cat litter scoop. We dont lock ours in totally at night. We have an ark thing but they're only locked into the enclosed outside bit at night (If that makes sense). Out in the garden by day. We've lost one to a fox & that was in the middle of the day.

Floottoot · 30/05/2018 11:36

To the PP who said they don't know how you dispose of chicken poo in a town garden - you can put it directly into your compost bin.
I don't understand the comments about chickens being noisy; even when they've layed, it intent high decibel and incident to on for more than a few minutes. If neighbours think that's something to complain about, I'd say they were being unreasonable. Roosters, however, are a different story and for that reason, we would never have one whilst living here.

Honeyroar · 30/05/2018 11:45

You need a decent amount of room for them.. They don't smell if they are cleaned out regularly. They only make noise when laying or unless you have a rooster. Our hens live down at our stables, so we'll away from the neighbours. Our neighbours love the endless supply of huge, tasty eggs. We sell them on our lane.

We've had hens for years and had rat problems twice (this year has been the worst ever). We keep them clean and only feed what they need, so no food is left out, and the feed is in rat proof containers, but now they're eating the hen's eggs before we can get to them. Our hens are at a stables though, so there are muckheaps and stacks of hay and straw which probably don't help.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 30/05/2018 11:50

There is a chicken keepers section on here.

Honeyroar · 30/05/2018 11:50

PS, we've had nothing but battery hens. They've been great layers and lived a good few years after release. They have had their systems trashed by the farming methods, and do often end up with peritonitis and tumours at the end of their lives. But I still think it's worth it to see the poor, sad things turn into healthy, happy creatures.

Aridane · 30/05/2018 11:50

YANBU - town dweller and former hen keeper.

Recommend Omlet and the Eglu - perfect for small gardens. And you don't have to have them on lawn - fine to have on deep wood chippings on a concrete surface.

Omlet will provide the whole package - ie Eglu (chicken house and run), sack of chicken feed, two hens, water and food containers, mini egg boxes (to hold 4 eggs), a little guide on keeping chickens and showing you how to hold chickens. They will also clip one of the wings and show you how to do so.

Aridane · 30/05/2018 11:52

Cleaning the Eglu is very easy as well - you line a pull out tray with newspaper and then just pull out the tray and dispose of the droppings that way.

DGRossetti · 30/05/2018 11:58

I don't understand the comments about chickens being noisy

An until-death memory for us is about 5 years ago a PCSO knocking on our door asking if we'd seen anything suspicious as "all our neighbours [across the road] chickens had been stolen".

We had no idea they kept them.

When I said "No, but could it have been foxes ?" the PCSO looked at me and said "Oh, do foxes eat chickens ?"

Aridane · 30/05/2018 13:29

Chickens aren't noisy - it's cockerels that crow!

They do however murmur. And if a fox comes near the chicken run they cluck alarmingly.

When I first had chickens, I spoke with neighbours on both sides as a matter of courtesy to let them know, to say they shouldn't be noisy (not cockerels!) and shouldn't attract rats etc. But to let me know if there were any problems.

A week later a neighbour came round. His child wanted to come into the garden to look at the chickens. He said there was a problem - ie his boy now wanted chickens.

Confusedbeetle · 30/05/2018 13:39

I think it's irresponsible to keep chickens in an urban setting. I have kept chickens for years. They like to free range in the garden for the best life and spend all day routing around. Not sitting in a coop waiting to lay an egg. They can a lot of work, can attract rats and always attract foxes. Fox attacks are not pretty. I have had foxes scale 6-foot netting, dig under henhouse walls, result carnage. Urban foxes are now common due to fast food outlets and foolish people feeding them. Look into it thoroughly, from both people who think its a good idea and those who don't. Consider whether you would be able to humanely dispatch a chicken if it became necessary. Country life is not always cutesy

Piffle11 · 30/05/2018 14:04

I think it depends on how urban you are. We have hens but we are semi rural. I remove all the poo on a morning when I let them out and clean the whole coop properly once a week. They don't smell because of this. You will get rats if you have an open feeder: we have one that can only opens when the hen stands on a bar at the bottom: rats are not heavy enough or big enough to operate it. You need to consider what you're going to do if bird flu rears its head again and you need to keep them enclosed. They will knacker your garden - if they are in a run then the grass will be decimated quickly and you will need to keep moving the run. If you're letting them potter around your garden then you will have poo everywhere. You will have to lock them in on a night unless you get an automatic closure door. And you will need someone to look after them if you go on holiday. Plus - even hens make a noise. Sometimes ours make a right racket.

Mirrorwriting · 30/05/2018 15:37

There’s a lot to think about. Thanks for the answers.

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Babyroobs · 30/05/2018 15:40

YABU. We live next door to the noisiest family on earth, screaming kids who can't paly for 5 minutes without descending into a screaming tantrum, a big sister who winds the younger boys up into a screaming frenzy etc. Then to add to our misery they buy a bunch of blooming noisy chickens who start up early in the morning.

Babyroobs · 30/05/2018 15:43

I'm sitting here now and ndn's chickens are making a lot of noise . is it just when something upsets them that they get noisy ??

DGRossetti · 30/05/2018 15:45

Consider whether you would be able to humanely dispatch a chicken if it became necessary. Country life is not always cutesy

Visiting county-dwelling chicken-keeping friends recently, we were treated to fresh eggs Smile. Highlight was hearing friends DD15 calmly explain how she had to dispatch a chicken properly after my friend "made a right Horlicks of it" ... just tickled us for some reason.

(It was these friends who confirmed my suspicion than an empty featherless coop is not signs of a chicken-rustling ring, but a fox)

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