No. 21.....

[Helga55]

Yes, I know it's the 'Fail, but I did think they might have stopped with no. 20

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5782453/Britains-biggest-family-bigger-announce-21st-baby.html

Good for them? I think?

They appear to be supporting themselves so I'm not too fussed.

She's selfish.... they both are

Awful!

Good for them, if they are paying for all their kids themselves then don't really see what the issue is to anyone else? They clearly enjoy being parents and having kids around and are not claiming anything, instead paying their taxes and running their own business, kudos to them!!

Yes I'm sure they don't use the NHS or send their children to free schools, and I bet they don't claim child benefits or child tax credits. No they all live off the tiny little village bakery.

Or maybe not.

You simply cannot give 21 children equal amounts of care and attention. It just isn't possible.

Those poor kids! Feel so sorry for the older ones.

As long as they are all happy I guess!

Of course they're not all happy. No one who was at all happy would keep having babies to fill some sort of emotional void she clearly feels. Her youngest is only 8 months fgs!!

I have 3 kids and we both work and it’s hard enough making sure they all have quality time with each of us, that they have time and resources to do thier homework, are clean and fed, that they each have the time, money and resources to pursue extra curricular activities, that they all have chance to have friends over, etc etc.

There’s no way that all those 20 kids have the emotional and finiacial input they deserve.

To give each child JUST 10 minutes undivided time a day to chat/do reading/talk about worries etc would be 3.5 hours a day. I really doubt that happened every day.

They appear to be supporting themselves so I'm not too fussed.

Apart from child tax credits and benefits and free schools and NHS....

Awful. She is obsessed- by babies and the attention. Every pregnancy means she is the focus and her kids get forgotten. Even newborn means they are again seriously deprived of focus and attention for at least half another year. she then gets bored and wants another baby. Deeply selfish and odd.

It's nothing to do with benefits imo and everything to do with the care and attention you can actually give that many children. Are all 21 of them really getting their needs met? Do they all feel they have the time and attention they need to thrive? Are they all getting input into their homework and their reading done and a one on one chat about their day and all the other myriad forms of attention a parent gives their child? I just can't believe that it's possible.

She's selfish and, I'd imagine, quite a sad individual.

It's a pity that children are her pawns.

The last documentary was very telling, the older children were basically forgotten and looked sad a lot of the time. The older girls were responsible for the care of the younger siblings and the cleaning whilst the boys played on their computers looking thoroughly depressed.

Utterly selfish IMO - putting aside the strain on NHS, schools and the effect on the planet, you cannot possibly give the emotional and physical attention to all of those children. Poor kids.

They are lying about getting no benefits. They get CB and tax credits and that will be fair whack. No way to they feed that many on a poxy little pie-baking business.
They got together and pregnant when she was 13 and he nearly 18, yet they go on about it being some teen romance. It's creepy as hell.

The kids are neglected and on the programme have said that they don't want more siblings. The older girls end up looking after the younger kids and miss out on childhood. The kids get next to no individual attention. You wouldn't allow this ratio of children to adults in a nursery, so why in the home. What possible reason do they have for having yet another baby?

Oh and this will obviously not be her last. She will probably have time to get another 2 more out before she can't have any more. Irresponsible to say the very least. People should not be holding them up as some ideal family.

It says they get £170 a week in child benefit and he earns just under 50k so let’s say 58k a year

If they spend £300 a week on food that’s £15,600 on food alone, which leaves £42,000 for everything else which if they have no mortgage is doable I guess but if they go on a holiday abroad once a year that’s got to be costing £5,000 easily and if they use hand me downs it could still work.

It does seem a bit suspicious he earns just below what he needs too to keep receiving child benefit within his own business

I find it odd that their supposedly thriving pie company that he claims makes a profit of 50k per annum is not even a limited company (have checked on companies house). So no way of verifying whether he really does get 50k a year from it.
How can they have a mortgage-free home at just past 40 years old and when they live in a gigantic converted care-home? Those are expensive, even in Morecambe.

I suspect that since finding fame, they get a certain amount from that.

But I feel so uncomfortable about the way in which this family is lauded as some ideal when the same paper slags off immigrants if they dare to have even one child. What makes these two so special? Is it because they are white? Why does everyone gloss over the fact that someone who was nearly an adult was having sex with a girl just into her teens? I know they are still together now, but that doesn't make it any better.

You know, as someone who couldn't have children, this couple are beginning to seriously piss me off.

It's not the eldest I feel sorry for but the middle ones

I agree @BumpowderSneezeonAndSnot

I believe their eldest son has moved out and has little to do with the family. The eldest daughter is barely in her 20s and has 3 kids already. I get the feeling that they don't really value education (and who could study in a madhouse like that and with those childcare responsibilities) so it's not like they are raising 21 lawyers/doctors/teachers either.

There is simply no justification for having 21 children in an age where contraception is freely available and 'but I want to' doesn't cut it. We can't do everything we want in life. They are seriously failing their middle children, particularly the girls.