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Why are British kids fat?

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VogueVVague · 29/05/2018 12:26

So time, two parents working, low budget/cost - all these things can result in ready meals being served up etc. but that still doesnt explain why, compared to the rest of Europe, our kids are the fattest.

So whats the reason?

Is it political?
Cultural?

Something must have changed for us and mot the rest of Europe in the past 50 years (doubt kids before 1960 were chunky).

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noeffingidea · 30/05/2018 21:00

It's really hard to resist picking up a pack of doughnuts for a quid
I honestly can't think of anything much worse than eating a doughnut. Completely rank.
We are really weird when someone tries to be healthy in this country. I agree with this. A lot of people have a somewhat childish attitude of ignoring government advice on nutrition, like they're not going to be told what to eat.
I really think it comes down to motivation, and a lot of British people just don't really care that much. When it comes down to their children I think a lot of people go into denial, aa long as they're not visibly fat they can come up with phrases like a bit on the big side or solid to avoid facing facts about their children's long term health.

GardenGeek · 30/05/2018 21:01

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Angelil · 30/05/2018 21:03

crunchymint These pyjamas have never been especially baggy/loose though. They have possibly stretched a tiny bit from being worn/washed a lot but that's all. And that still doesn't explain the dress from Next. Sorry but I don't see how an adult female size 10-12 should be able to even fit into clothes with labels designating them as being for 14-16-year-olds in the first place.

deadringer · 30/05/2018 21:03

Since I started childminding I am constantly amazed at how much small children eat. In the early days the parents provide snacks and while it's 'healthy' stuff they give me loads and expect the children to eat it all, which they do. They just seem to graze constantly. I have noticed it at toddler groups and even at the library, snacks come out within 10 minutes of arrival. I have also noticed a lot of parents bring snacks for the school pick up, so the child doesn't have to wait until they get home to eat. Madness.

noeffingidea · 30/05/2018 21:04

fufru a lot of mothers worked in the 70's (both my parents worked full time) and there was this thing called latch key kids, where children were home alone until their parents got in. That didn't lead to obesity.

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TalkinPeece · 30/05/2018 21:06

sarah
My personal opinion is that real homemade cooking isn’t taught in schools and that’s an issue.
Bollocks
I was never EVER taught cooking at school
I love to cook.

Kids are in school for a small fraction of their meals
FAMILIES are responsible for cooking skills
not school

Lweji · 30/05/2018 21:10

Tbh we are nearer 30% like America and most other European Countries are nearer 20% obesity.

Hmm

From that earlier link, you're talking about 28% vs 23%. It's not a big jump. Not to the point that is being talked about on this thread. Also, if you look at trends, other countries are quickly catching up. It's not a phenomenon exclusive to the UK.

I think a big reason for child obesity is mainly political we have a culture where must the majority of jobs are so low paid both parents are forced to work.

Also, NO. See previous link. More mothers SAH in the UK than elsewhere in Europe.

frumpety · 30/05/2018 21:10

Something I remember from my childhood and see today , is that children are quickly pigeon holed as good or not good at sport. Because if you are not the best , you aren't going to win, so really what is the point of you joining in ? Other than the long term health benefits ?

When I say quickly I mean top infants/bottom juniors. The message is conflicting isn't it , if you are no good , you won't win , so what is the point of you taking part ? Versus you need to be active to be healthy Hmm

I think everyone , regardless of their abilities should get a go at being part of team , even if that team is the E team , because every school in the land has one , why can't they play against each other ?

MaybeyBaybey · 30/05/2018 21:12

I think (and I'm a foreigner, so I'm probably biased in my favour) it's due to a few things.

  1. The approach many seem to have to food and especially sugar and sugary drinks. (Drinking your calories...)
  1. The approach to being outdoors. Not just exercising but just being out.
  1. We had to do sport when I was a kid. Not just in school but it was really important that we found sports we actually liked. (I and my brother both did judo, my sister and I riding [I ultimately decided that it wasn't something I wanted to pursue], she also did gymnastics, I did / do Brazilian jiu-jitsu, our parents took us hiking, skiing, biking... And that was just normal. My classmates had to do sports as well. Football was probably the most common one.)
Camomila · 30/05/2018 21:14

As a size 8 I bought a girls age 15 skiing fleece and it was too big.
I imagine it'd fit perfectly on someone who is a size 10.
Lots of teens nowadays are taller and broader than adult women.

I just saw an advert for a documentary about grammar schools and it made me think that probably stress is contributing to DC being overweight :(

choli · 30/05/2018 21:20

Don't know if this has been mentioned but i think the belief that a roast dinner with loads of meat and gravy and greasy roast potatoes is somehow more healthy than veg soup or a salad and a sandwich. And pudding after it. When i was a kid we only had pudding on a Sunday.

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Boulty · 30/05/2018 21:23

My son, his friends etc not one of them fat. I don't really see many fat children so no idea where they are hiding out

TalkinPeece · 30/05/2018 21:25

fatter people tend to blame 'others' for obesity problems:
the government selling off playing fields, lack of cookery lessons in schools, food companies hiding calories, advertising, being offered large portions, etc.
Thinner people seem to tend to say something like
'I've been overeating lately/on holiday/etc and I've put on some weight'.
THIS
with bells on

codswallopandbalderdash · 30/05/2018 21:31

Am amazed by some of the stereotypes on here about other european countries - I have seen overweight kids from lots of European countries.

What is true for the UK though is that buying fruit and veg / healthy foods is way more expensive than snacks / ready meals etc. And lots of people are struggling financially / or are watching what they spend.

MaybeyBaybey · 30/05/2018 21:39

fatter people tend to blame 'others' for obesity problems:

I guess. But isn't that something many people with problems they're unable / don't want to deal with say? (Be it alcohol, having an anger problem other kinds of addiction etc?)

TalkinPeece · 30/05/2018 21:40

yup
but people who are making their kids fat are harming the next generation

Graphista · 30/05/2018 21:47

Talkinpeece what ivory tower nonsense! Your family were clearly relatively well off.

Working class families possibly working 2 nmw jobs each parent understandably don't always feel they have the time, energy or motivation to teach their children to cook. In addition families with low incomes probably daren't risk food being wasted due to new cook mishaps.

And I say that as a Lp on benefits who came from a working class family who WAS taught to cook and I taught dd to cook. But just because I managed it doesn't mean I can't open my mind just a CRACK to see that not everyone is capable, knowledgable or confident enough.

In addition among the lowest income families, there are more likely to be those with disabilities including learning disabilities and mh conditions. (Me again).

I generally cook from scratch BUT on better days and because I have bad days I cook 'too much' so I can store meals for worse days. I'm LUCKY

1 that I can cook
2 that I'm not yet so incapacitated that I can't physically cook at least 3 times a week but that's a possibility in the future.
4 that dd can cook, was happy and willing to learn but she's 17 she'll be leaving home in the next few years.

I'm only 46 but there's a real possibility I may need to use convenience foods more in the near future. Shopping is also difficult. At the moment I get online delivery from a supermarket, I've just had this weeks. I'm in a LOT of pain today and I'm in tears writing this because I barely managed just carrying the bags from the door to the kitchen and putting the stuff away. That'll be me gubbed for the next 2 days in all likelihood, I'm even struggling to dress myself at the moment.

Not everyone is privileged financially, practically or in terms of good health.

"We are really weird when someone tries to be healthy in this country" yep! Clearly from defensiveness I think. When I first went veggie (just realised 30 years ago this year 😱), people were very weird in their reactions, my mum got flak too. People seemed to either think I was a sort of militant hippy (not too far wrong there at the time), or (and this is where my mum got the flak) I had an eating disorder. I actually ate more as a result of going veggie because I never enjoyed the taste or texture of real meat AND coincidentally it turned out red meat really badly sets off my ibs (symptoms quickly improved vastly, on a couple of occasions I was unwittingly given red meat or eg food cooked in red meat juices or fat and I was VERY bad with ibs the next few days, it was dismissed at the time but is now recognised as an ibs trigger).

Formerbabe - I can well believe that re the not drinking. I don't drink due to meds (pain and mh ones that's a conversation stopper! Because there is ALWAYS some clever dick who'll go "oh one won't hurt you'll just get pissed faster") but even when I wasn't completely teetotal I didn't drink much/often because all one side of the family are addicts inc alcohol and I'm very wary (another conversation stopper for clever dicks "because I don't want to be like my alcoholic relatives") it's unhealthy that drinking, and drinking heavily is seen as the norm in the uk. We don't have the monopoly on alcoholism (contrary to popular belief) but we definitely have an unhealthy view of it. Personally I don't think it should be so easy or cheap to buy. I remember when you could only get in pubs, off licences and a few restaurants.

Teasandtoast I get what you're trying to say but I think demonising or banning 'junk' food does create other issues. Because you can't put the genie back in the bottle so you'd better make sure you know how to word your wishes!

As I said upthread, no complete food is completely nutrient empty but I have seen children who are not allowed anything but uber healthy food at home/by their parents go overboard when they are in a position to choose. I'd say it's both extremes are the children that at eg a children's birthday party with lots of sausage rolls, crisps, dips, choc, biscuits, sweets, cake will spend the most time eating - those who never get to eat this kinda thing and those that almost always eat it. The 'forbidden fruit' factor.

BUT I agree with those pps (usually non Brits) that we've also kinda demonised fruit and veg! It's seen as boring, utilitarian food! Yet raw or cooked (properly not boiled for a decade!) fruit and veg is colourful, appetising and delicious.

The idea that other European countries don't have the same issues with food/eating that we do is ridiculous. Eg Austria and France have high levels of anorexia, I have friends that live in various European countries and I have lived in a few myself. The attitude to mh issues generally is pretty poor. There's very much a culture of "pull yourself together" and that it's a personal weakness to suffer one.

I think also we eat the biggest number of calories at the wrong times. Breakfast like a king, lunch like a queen, dine like a pauper yes? I think yet another factor is our short lunch breaks. In eg France and Italy I can't see 30 min (or even shorter) lunch breaks being tolerated as a regular thing. And less time to eat means more likely to eat calorie dense food, takes longer to eat a decent salad than a greggs sausage roll! Plus it leaves no time to exercise. I was at my healthiest when in an office job that had flexitime availability. I used to go for a run, shower, have a healthy lunch then back to work, essentially having a 1.5hr lunch break but I worked an extra half hour at the end of the day to make it up. This was pre DC admittedly. But I do think a proper lunch hour would at least allow time for better food choices and a little exercise.

"Before 1960 children were looked after and fed proper food by their mothers while dads went to work" not true for the working class plenty of working mothers post DC there. My grans AND great grans (who were born late 19th C) all worked after having (lots!) of children.

MaybeyBaybey · 30/05/2018 21:49

but people who are making their kids fat are harming the next generation

Yup. People that make their kids fat are harming them.

Like people with some of the other problems I mentioned most likely are. Be it alcoholism, anger issues, anorexia etc.(and people that actively impart their issues definitely do.)

Being overweight isn't fundamentally different imo.

It just seems like several causes of obesity are condoned.

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 21:49

"The sports bra excuse is hilarious!"

Sorry to disappoint Miss Maisy but this "excuse" is coming from someone who has lost ten stone.

YY Graphista............i switched to power walking once our local Curves closed.

Ive tried other sports bras The cups are too small. Royce works well for me.

Im not making excuses Maisy Im simply pointing out how a person on a lower income might be thinking. They might be seeing it as yet another exhausting obstacle as well as being able to afford their rent council tax............smartphone for checking into their UC account.

People in a situation like this MAY see it as just another obstacle.

I went out and excsersised for a while today. DH was having one of his coughing attacks............he has emphysema. Took my mobile and told him to call me if there was a problem

Escuses? I think not.

TalkinPeece · 30/05/2018 21:55

graphista
your analysis of my family is spectacularly wrong
I was taught to cook by grandparents in holidays
in term times I was a latchkey kid

it is NOT the job of schools to teach children to cook.
Children are only in school for one meal a day 200 days a year
the rest of the time FAMILIES are in charge

Children under the age of 12 do not have financial independence
so if they are eating shit
its because parents are buying it for them

It is not the job of schools and governments to tell them what to NOT buy.

singledadstu · 30/05/2018 22:01

It’s because the government continues to let house builders build houses for our ever increasing population using playing fields and brown/green field sites . It’s also because where there used to be four cars in a street now days there’s four cars to each house. It’s because we are shit scared to let our kids outside unattended

JJ2014 · 30/05/2018 22:03

Also, nursery and school have puddings at every lunch. This is just wrong. I say do like Australia does and make your own pack lunch for your kids. I really really hate the kids school food. Even though they go to private school, meat everyday is not an good option for anyone.

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