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Why are British kids fat?

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VogueVVague · 29/05/2018 12:26

So time, two parents working, low budget/cost - all these things can result in ready meals being served up etc. but that still doesnt explain why, compared to the rest of Europe, our kids are the fattest.

So whats the reason?

Is it political?
Cultural?

Something must have changed for us and mot the rest of Europe in the past 50 years (doubt kids before 1960 were chunky).

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ParisUSM · 30/05/2018 12:49

Someone mentioned earlier about food being less filling - this might explain why children need 2 lunches when people who worked as labourers in the 70s didn't!

BarbaraofSevillle · 30/05/2018 12:49

^Both parents working full time and being driven everywhere is not a new thing.

I grew up in the 80s and that was my childhood, and that of all my friends.

So I don't think you can blame it on that^

I grew up in the 80s too and there was one family where the mother worked in a professional job (teacher). Most mothers were SAHMs, or maybe worked part time around their DHs as cleaners, shop workers etc. Only about half of women could drive and 2 car families were rare so the norm was mothers walking their DCs to school (always the local one, there was no talk of oversubscription or Ofsted ratings) and also walking to the shops for groceries.

We went every Saturday on foot to the supermarket (a 3 mile round trip) and each child above about 5 carried a bag of shopping back, the rest going in a shopping trolley or under a pushchair or pram.

The increase in obesity is a combination of reduced activity levels, snacking, drinking calories in the form of fancy coffees, fizzy pop by the gallon and more alcohol and increased portion sizes.

crunchymint · 30/05/2018 13:03

Ifnot Exercise is part of the equation. But some people do put weight on easier than others, while some stay thin. I say that as I have always been fat, the rest of my family is skinny. I am generally more active than them, and was way more active than my siblings. We were all fed the same, but I was the only fat one. I simply do have to eat less than them. One sibling in particular used to eat masses of food (may still do) and was always skinny.

Kursk · 30/05/2018 13:04

Activities play a big part. My kids eat what they want, but they are like squirrels on crack all day.

My sisters kids play Xbox all day and are fat

crunchymint · 30/05/2018 13:08

I do think though you have to consciously make more of an effort to be active these days. Many jobs are very sedentary. People and kids are driven to work/school. Shopping is home delivered.
Even as a teenager I can remember spending hours walking around the shops to find clothes I liked. Now I order online.
Our lives now are designed so that we have to choose to be active. When I was young you had no choice but to be active. So even the laziest person was reasonably active.
A healthy community would be designed to make sure that bring active was part of everyday life.

Lethaldrizzle · 30/05/2018 13:16

And what kids eat 2 lunches Hmm

ParisUSM · 30/05/2018 13:18

I should've put 'need' 2 lunches - it was referring to a previous comment. No kid needs two lunches - it reminds me of my dad when he heard people say 'oh, he's a growing boy' and he'd say 'aye, growing oot the way'. Grin

Gileswithachainsaw · 30/05/2018 13:19

lethal

The ones who's snacks are large. Like the school kids who are picked up and are given things like wraps and share bags of crisps or cheese and crackers or sandwiches etc

Many toddler snacks are the equivalent to a second lunch. Like toast and peanut butter and a banana or crackers cjeesenajd a yogurt etc

ParisUSM · 30/05/2018 13:21

toast, peanut butter and a banana would be more calories than what I have for lunch never mind a snack, really can't get my head round it.

Thisnamechanger · 30/05/2018 13:30

I think our views on what amounts to a portion of food is massively off kilter now, people just eat too much, of everything

I think this is true. I've been dieting recently and I'm astonished how small you can make your portions by eating slowly and waiting to feel full.

This morning I made some porridge and actually ready the directions on the packet. It advised 50g of oats per person and 300ml milk. I'm trying to eat less do I halved it to just ward off hunger pangs. I had a little ramekin with a teaspoon of honey and a big cup of tea. After 20 minutes I wasn't full but not ravenous and perfectly able to look forward to lunch without feeling starving (and I exercise every day!).

If I were pouring it freehand I'd have probably made at least 4 times as much and felt over-full but finished it so as not to waste it. Blush

Eating slowly and waiting to see if I'm full has made ALL the difference to me.

SerenDippitty · 30/05/2018 13:31

toast, peanut butter and a banana would be more calories than what I have for lunch never mind a snack, really can't get my head round it.

God you’d think my lunch was horrific then. I have just had a boiled egg, 2x grain cakes spread thinly with half fat cream cheese, and some berries and banana (not a whole one) with two dessertspoons fat free Greek yogurt. I’m a greedy pig aren’t I.

banivani · 30/05/2018 13:34

After hanging around Mumsnet for a while I have a few thoughts.

British people don't like living in apartments for various reasons. As the population grows, so to the estates of small houses with small gardens. I'd assume this means less land left over to be simply communal land, for parks, town-adjacent small forests, playgrounds. It also leaves less land for planning anything other than roads for cars. Towns that aren't "concentrated" means everybody wants to drive everywhere, so there's a lot of traffic.

This leads to unsafe road environments where parents aren't happy letting their children walk on their own. Adding to this is a general feeling of unease based feelings of the world being dangerous. Children on their own will be hurt, either by other people or traffic.

There's also not a lot of room left for large schoolyards. At break time children are stuck in quite small areas doing limited activities. They also wear school uniforms which depending on the type might be more or less conducive to activity I suppose (never stopped children in the past who were determined to be active though!).

Parents who try to foster independent children by allowing them to walk by themselves to school and so on are viewed with suspicion and deemed inadequate parents, because they're endangering their children by letting them out unsupervised.

Children are thus confined to their homes and their small gardens. at best there might be a trampoline. Fine for toddlers, kids hitting the age of five and up need a LOT of movement.

www.standard.co.uk/news/how-children-lost-the-right-to-roam-in-four-generations-7264441.html

Instead of obsessing over these things, British people obsess about food and weight as markers of health. What do you eat, is it healthy, is it too much, is there sugar in it, omg what about the carbs. Always weight and dress sizes. Studies show that people who move will be healthier than people who don't move, pretty regardless of weight (unless terribly obese of course, and weight can be a strain on a body in other ways). The focus in Britain doesn't come across as leading active lifestyles though, the focus is on where to park and the evil of bananas (pure sugar).

Previous posters have commented on the excuse of bad weather as well - I live in Sweden which has rotten weather a lot of the time, but you're expected to dress for it. However, when you live in small, damp houses it's much harder to care for all that wet-weather stuff, I appreciate that. In Sweden more and more people are living in cramped conditions, including myself, and just finding space to dry stuff is a hassle. And we USE our central heating the way the lord intended us to. :)

I am of course exaggerating a bit, but this is what I see when browsing around.

ParisUSM · 30/05/2018 13:36

SerenDippitty, no sorry I wasn't making out that an adult eating more for lunch was wrong, just pointing out that a toddler snack was more than I personally have for lunch. I'm menopausal and find eating more regularly helps, which means my meals are smaller than they used to be.

expatinscotland · 30/05/2018 13:41

'toast, peanut butter and a banana would be more calories than what I have for lunch never mind a snack, really can't get my head round it.'

I can't get my head round people who obsess over calories in every single thing they put in their mouths and tut about what others eat. The slice of toast, banana and a teaspoon of peanut butter is about 170 calories, if your lunch is under that, that sounds pretty miserable.

ParisUSM · 30/05/2018 13:45

fair enough expat, my lunch probably was more than 170 calories Grin, and I certainly don't obsess over calories at all - as I said I am menopausal which is pretty miserable in itself. But you do get my general point I hope - it didn't seem like something you'd give a toddler as a snack.

expatinscotland · 30/05/2018 13:51

I'm perimenopausal and I definitely can't eat the amount I used to, but a person who's still growing or even a young adult is going to get away with far more calorie than an older person like me.

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 13:53

Excersise is not free when you have to fork out £30 for a sports bra before you can even start. I was able to do this Many who are generous of nork wont be able to afford it. Gone from a 46G down to a 32HH so still having to fork out more for bras after weight loss.

sits and waits for someone to mention Poundworld sports bras like they did before

i bought one just for shits and giggles and tried it on. Gave as much support as a hand towel DHs reaction............ who was the idiot who suggested that?!

Gileswithachainsaw · 30/05/2018 14:02

I also think people are putting too much pressure on themselves.

All these wraps and sandwiches they lovingly make ready for the kids when they get home so they don't get hungry waiting for tea, all this home made hummus and chopping of veg into sticks so it's all nice and ready.... and packing little boxes of stuff into change bags worrying about whether it's enough , it's no wonder tea time comes along and the parent is running late preparing tea or really cant face making any more just to be thrown away (as kids inevitably aren't really hungry) and just go for the quick easier options that perhaps arent as nutritious or or filling.

It must be exhausting being "ever ready " lest they be peckish.

It's ok for them to be hungry and send them to their room.of they are whinging they can do homework til teas ready.

I cant speak for anyone else but I've told my kids plenty of times that every time they disturb me to tell me they are hungry or thirsty and get in my way in the kitchen they are just delaying their own dinner.

whosafraidofabigduckfart · 30/05/2018 14:03

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 30/05/2018 14:13

Helena

Wear two bras ! Easy and NO cost Grin

MiggeldyHiggins · 30/05/2018 14:21

two bras doesn't work.

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 14:23

I cant do that Not with my norks That wouldnt work either. Not with underwired Panache bras which are my normal ones Too much pressure on the wires. My boobs need proper support for proper excersise.

Seriously though how would someone on JSA or Universal Credit afford this kind of outlay.

Nearly half a weeks JSA on a sports bra It isnt going to happen.

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 14:25

The people at my gym INSISTED on women wearing proper sports bras because damage to breast tissue is a risk if you dont.

MiggeldyHiggins · 30/05/2018 14:26

they can't insist. Its not their business what underwear clients have on.

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 14:28

If i wore two of my Panache Tango bras and tried to excersise in them it would put more strain on these bras and cause the wires to come out. They are also £30 a time so thats £60

Easy and NO cost. You must tell us about this place which is handing out free bras for women of all back and boob sizes