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To consider moving to Asia in these circumstances?

26 replies

Dovahkiin · 25/05/2018 13:04

DH and I worked abroad until four years ago when we came back to the UK with our 2 DDs (4 and 6). We settled in the South-East as close to our families as possible, despite it being ridiculously expensive. Our families kept on urging us to return so they could see far more of the grandchildren, despite us spending all the summer and Christmas back in the UK.

DH's parents live 45 minutes away but it is clear the novelty of grandchildren has worn off since DH's brother's children have grown up - they have no interest in the DDs, very rarely visit and have refused to help out for the day on the very rare occasions that I would struggle to take time off work to cover a sick child. They are both in good health and have a full-on list of lovely retirement activities - all of which, it turns out, cannot possibly be missed.

DM lives a 2 hour drive away around the M25 - so anywhere up to 3 hours realistically. She is in a shitty situation. My gran moved in with us 25 years ago, and my dad died 15 years ago, by which time my sister and I were both at university. So, my mum and gran ended up living together - they moved to the South to be closer to my sister when I was living abroad. Since we returned, my gran's health has declined - she now has a carer visit every day and has about three chronic conditions which could carry her off at any minute. She is not a life-embracer - for the past fifteen years, she has been expressing her wish to die but has now reached the fine old age of 97. My mum is her official carer and very much tied to the house unless her sister deigns to relieve her, or she gets a week's respite from Sue Ryder. We visit when we can but it's a long journey with two small children, and the house is not big enough for a long stay - we travel for five hours for a three-hour visit. She is desperately unhappy, trapped in her retirement with a curmudgeonly old woman with increasingly demanding care needs.

I have suggested to DM that she move closer to us so we can provide support and company - this would be too much of an upheaval (there's no prospect of us moving closer to her). I've also suggested she pays a carer to cover her so she can visit us for a day - not at £20 an hour, it turns out. There is really nothing we can do, and we barely see her. I know she has depression but I am tired of being pushed back every time we suggest a possible improvement.

DH has just been headhunted for a fantastic opportunity overseas - we loved living abroad, the kids would have a great adventure and we would be able to spend quality amounts of time back in the UK and summer. My mother would be devastated - and I can't decide whether I would be the worst daughter in the world for even considering this. If it's relevant, I suffered from severe depression and anxiety after the birth of my youngest DD, shortly after we came back to the UK. DM offered me no support or sympathy when I was struggling to adapt to a new country and a new baby. I tried to discuss my suicidal feelings, and they were totally dismissed. I feel massively let down, and do not know if I am prepared to put my family's interests on hold to support her now - or if I need to be less needy and step up and just hang around providing comforting geographical proximity but no real help.

All insights gratefully received.

OP posts:
Magpiesarehuge · 25/05/2018 13:07

It’s distance is tougher when parents are getting older but you sound as though you really really want to go. Will you really be happy staying in the UK? Can your mum not come for long visits?

Magpiesarehuge · 25/05/2018 13:10

Saying that - i was living away when my mum suddenly took ill and died soon after - i got home before she died but with kids, school etc - it can been so difficult logistically with elderly, ill parents.

SantaClauseMightWork · 25/05/2018 13:12

That sounds so difficult. I also think your in laws are being selfish somewhat. Can you move abroad and use some of the money (hopefully it's a much better package than UK?) to make your mum's life easier? That will be far more helpful for her than you staying
Here and not visiting nor being able to help anyway.

Lifeisabeach09 · 25/05/2018 13:20

I'd go abroad. You have no help from the family and you aren't in a position to be hands on with DM and DG. Just be prepared to have money on hand to fly home for emergencies/end of life.
As for your DM, she can get additional support through social services. They can provide more care visits (per day) for your nan and provide respite care for a week or two so your mum can rest. FYI.

Nikephorus · 25/05/2018 13:23

Have you suggested that YOU pay a carer so your DM can come visit? It's a long trip for her anyway and having to fork out £20 per hour on top.... It would be an upheaval for her to move and maybe she has friends there. And while it's a shame she didn't provide support when you were struggling, equally she sounds like she has a lot on her plate every day to cope with. Maybe she just didn't have the emotional capacity to cope with your problems as well?
As for your inlaws - it's a shame they're not more interested but you sound a bit pissed that they're not prepared to drop everything in their lives to provide emergency babysitting services. If they have full lives then why should your needs take priority? And bear in mind that presumably they created these lives for themselves when you were abroad. I don't think they're selfish, they're just living their lives while they're still able to.
Taking the job offer may be a good idea. If you're not close enough to provide support to your mum now then it'll make no difference to her once she gets used to it.

KoshaMangsho · 25/05/2018 13:25

Go abroad. And as someone said maybe offer to financially help your mum. The in laws clearly don’t care much either way

Dovahkiin · 25/05/2018 13:42

Thanks, everyone. Unfortunately we're not in a position to be helping my mum pay for a carer - we're still dealing with childcare costs (the cost of living in the UK would be a major reason for the move) while she has two pensions, a carers allowance and is currently considering building a £45k extension to her house. Again, it's not that this can't be done, but that's she so wrapped up that she only sees the difficulties, so nothing happens. I've got as far as contacting agencies myself and passing on her details - but then everything just fizzles out. I just hoped that wanting to see her only grandchildren would motivate her slightly.

And yeah, if my choice was between helping out my family with 48 hours notice or attending a fricking silver-making class, then I know which I would prioritise. It's fine - the ILs can draw whichever boundaries they wish at this stage of their lives, but they need to understand it works both ways and that it just frees us up to walk away.

OP posts:
mmgirish · 25/05/2018 13:45

I would go. I live overseas and can't really imagine coming home.

FizzyGreenWater · 25/05/2018 13:45

Go.

Honestly, maybe if your mum sees once again other people moving forward with their lives she might be shaken up a bit.

And... the worst daughter in the world? I can see that your mum is in a bad situation but you're hardly failing to repay her for her unstinting years of support. The reality is that you hardly see her. She gets little from you being in the UK anyway so why sacrifice even more when it's not even benefitting her?

Just go. Tell your mum that being here makes your life harder and yet there's no payoff - you don't see her anyway and your presence makes little difference to her situation. Tell her you have to look to the future and the facts are that if you take these jobs, you'll probably be in a better position to help her financially when your gran passes.

TitZillas · 25/05/2018 13:45

I’d be off like a shot! Which country are you proposing to move to? What is schooling like?

FizzyGreenWater · 25/05/2018 13:47

Omg your update... if your mum is not stuck financially, then BLOODY GO because the fact is that she is doing this to herself.

Which means that she's that kind of person and what you will find when your gran finally passes away is that another reason why she needs to stay hidebound and downtrodden will be found, you'll carry on not seeing her and the excuses will continue.

It's her. It's not circumstance and it's not you.

You can't change this situation, re either set of parents, but you can stop it dragging your family down too.

Rain3dagain · 25/05/2018 13:57

I think that you should take the opportunity to go abroad. You can still keep in touch with your family via phone, skpye, letter etc

aaarrrggghhhh · 25/05/2018 14:04

Go.

Heighwayqueen · 25/05/2018 14:09

Absolutely go! You must do what is right for you, your husband and your children. They need to be your first priority.

Racecardriver · 25/05/2018 14:17

I would ld go. It doesn't realistically seem to make that much of a difference whether you are where you presently live or overseas in terms of supporting your mother and your in laws clearly just aren't interested. Do what is best for your family.

emmyrose2000 · 26/05/2018 02:22

Go! There's nothing really tying you down to the UK by the sounds of it.

halfwitpicker · 26/05/2018 02:37

Er, for sure you should go.

You'll regret it if you don't.

Your mum needs to pay for care for your gran and liven up, and your in-laws, well, sounds like they prefer mincing on their retirement, which is fair enough, but it's certainly not to make you stay in the UK.

boomboom12 · 26/05/2018 03:06

I would go, sometimes you have to do what’s best for your own family. I’m very lucky to have supportive parents & in laws so I do factor them into our decisions. One of my childhood neighbours/friends has just moved to Scotland for a better quality of life. My mum still sees his mum & all she does is moan how unfair it is, that she’s lost her only gc & how lonely she is. She’s never once provided any childcare/babysitting (too busy) or a penny of financial assistance (very comfortable). Of course she is under no obligation too but in turn nor is her son to live close to her when his wife’s parents are in Scotland & are desperate to help out with gc.

olympicsrock · 26/05/2018 06:13

Organise childcare for your children and goand spend the night with your mum once a months for a few months. You will salve your conscience. Then go abroad.

Staying · 26/05/2018 06:25

Your mother is depressed having given her life up for her mother (understandably, being a carer is hard), but that doesn't mean you need to pass up opportunities to make you and your family happy for you mother. It's not like if you stay it'll make her happy, more that she'll have less of a reason to be more down.

Go, because it sounds like you're ready for it and will make the most if it. Just make sure you have enough set aside that you can rush back if necessary (clearly your gran isn't young for a start).

Dieu · 26/05/2018 06:33

I agree with olympicsrock

Ultimately, you should go abroad, and I wish you the very best with it.

However I think you should organise visits to your mum and gran on your own. There would presumably be space for you to stay (especially when the extension is built!) and I see no reason for you to have to take the kids. Doesn't sound like it would be much fun for them anyway.

Fengshui · 26/05/2018 06:34

Go you lucky things. :)

Make sure you have a plan for being able to get home quickly in an emergency and then go.

We lived abroad an returned home 15 years ago in similar circumstances. Obligation and guilt has kept us here long after we needed to be, and there are days I regret it profoundly.

Loopytiles · 26/05/2018 06:41

You clearly want to go, which is fair enough.

How did you spend summers in the UK if you were both WoH? Is your career a consideration in the move?

Is the intention for it to be a permanent move? If not , my main reservations would be your WoH options, and DCs’ school options on return. Also possible that your DM’s health could decline.

Even if you stay it sounds unlikely that you will be willing and able to help your DM much.

I think you’re U about the inlaws. They shouldn’t have implied they would provide childcare if they didn’t mean it, but 45 mins away isn’t local and they’re not U to prioritise their own lives. Also, most people don’t want to care for unwell DC.

Loopytiles · 26/05/2018 06:44

Yes, in the circumstances it’d probably be best for you to visit DM alone, perhaps at a weekend when your H could have the DC.

Ansumpasty · 26/05/2018 08:37

You should go