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Year 6 SATs today & DDs teacher flicked through her answers & indicated that an answer was wrong & that she should change it. That's my first issue. Isn't it supposed to be a proper test? With no help? Turning my DD into a cheat?
Secondly, DD is a perfectionist. The teacher had also indicated that DD should focus on a certain part of the question which then changed the method required to work out the answer. DD did this method & changed her answer.
After the test, teacher mentioned a few people having an issue with this question & went through with them on the board. Turns out DD had done it correctly in the first place. She put her hand up straight away & told teacher this but the teacher said she hadn't seen it, apologised & said something along the lines of 'ah well, it's only one mark'.
DD has a flair for the over-dramatic so of course, she had a cry in the toilets & has moaned all evening. Not getting full marks is important to her, especially as she'd been correct until the teacher told her she wasn't.
(DD is doing great at school,btw, already has a place at grammar, I'm not too fussed about the results of the SATs - I know she'll do well, but I don't see them as having any importance tbh) She is devoed though. Wwyd?

It is ridiculous to do gcse prediction based on something not even in that school

Yes. Yes it is.

As a primary teacher (not Year 6) I can say that this definitely goes on in many schools. There is no point reporting it to the head - she/he will already know.

You should report it though.

As a secondary school teacher, I want my children to do badly in their primary SATS. The pressure placed on children based on their SATS grades throughout high school is a scandal and a disgrace. Children are branded failures for not meeting ridiculous, impossible targets. Every teacher I know is thinking of ways to avoid this for our own children. I feel so badly for the primary school as they are under such horrendous and unfair pressure for this arbitrary measure of success but I don’t want my children to suffer for it.

Not surprised. I know all primary school teachers don’t do this obviously.

But I have a large amount of year 7s I’m expected to get to a grade 6 (b) based on their SATS when it’s quite obvious they’ve had massive, massive amounts of input from their teacher. Pupils who say their teachers pointed at questions saying ‘check this one, I think you meant to put x instead of x’

I would complain, absolutely.

As a parent i don't care about the progress score as i assume they can be manipulated. Now i will take the sats results with a pinch of salt too.
The eyfs baseline will be even less useful, will schools try to manipulte that so the kids do badly.
The ones done at start and end of yr r by the teacher were pretty pointless and inaccurate too.
Just wondering if teacher assessment will be any better at end of yr 1.

Agree with the voices above- the new GCSE predictions are a bit of a joke. For a start, has anyone ever met a teenager? They can, and do, go through humongous changes between yr 6 and yr 11. I mean, doesn't mr government realise how hard it is to be crazy about a boy and then find out he fancies your mate? Their life is OVER from that point out year9 and no amount of cajoling will get them interested in an 18th century text but they like Romeo and Juliet because it's obviously just like their own lives

I've taught in several primary schools and can honestly say I've never seen this happening. There have always been incredibly strict rules and protocols. Definitely talk to the head rather than the teacher.

Sad reading teachers know it has been maladminostered and are doing nothing .

If it was my ds’s Sats I would want it reporting

In my defence, I did know that the SATS were used in secondary schools, I just assumed it was an initial assessment, and that after a couple of terms students would then be looked at based on their achievements, and possibly streamed/graded based on those results, on an on going basis. What do I know?..... the world is mad!

HadALife et al. It is the DfE that insists the GCSE is predicted from the reading and maths KS2 outcomes. No secondary teacher would choose to do this, trust me.
All sorts goes on in primary schools, children never perform at the same level their KS2 results suggest when they join secondary school, yet we have to get them to some amazing level in eight different subjects because two ropily administered tests suggest that capability?
Oh yeah, and teachers' pay is predicated on it too.

AND it’s a combined grade.

So if a child is great at maths but has low literacy levels they STILL end up in my High Previous Attainment English group.

I have a child who needs a scribe, reader, extra time and the kitchen sink in order to even have ahipe of scraping a pass in English and a target grade of a 7.

He’s genuinely brilliant at maths. I have big suspicions about the 1:1 “suppprt” in his English SATS....

This is maladministration and will be dealt with very seriously.

It staggers me that at primary, we have to report a teacher assessment for Science at the end of KS2, yet the measures used to predict Science GCSE are Maths and English test scores. Why do we bother?

My dd is HoD at an Outstanding comp. she tells me that her school does not use Yr 2 SATS in any way at all. Pupils are setted
on their first term’s work in Yr 7.
As a former Senior Examiner and now an invigilator I can confirm that the teacher’s behaviour was absolutely wrong and she must be reported.

Yr 6 SATS are, however, used as a benchmark for future performance the pressure is on the school not the pupil though.

I think you mean Y6 SATs - and it isn't her school's decision, the targets are set for her school externally by the powers that be for individual pupils.

Oh KS2 SATS....

Apparently 2% of students will achieve the new Grade 9 at GCSE.

Yet 30% of my (not particularly brilliant) Y11 History class will apparently achieve this, based on their KS2 English and Maths results.

I will be expected to justify why so many of them have failed to meet their target.

Dd did her SATS this week, and told me this happened in her school. I feel outraged. Small groups of 5 or 6 kids did their tests in a room with 1 teacher who walked around pointing out which answers they should check, giving heavy hints. Dd was in headteacher's office with a few others and the headteacher did it. Her classmate got in trouble for saying in the playground "SATS are easy, the teachers tell you the answers"

Please report the maladministration.
www.gov.uk/guidance/reporting-maladministration-at-key-stage-1-and-key-stage-2

Thank you for the link carrotcake

Marks from Primary schools are always taken with a large pinch of salt. Do secondary schools not test in the first term for setting?
OH marked the early SATS, one Head sent a covering letter saying his staff had ruled a line on each pupil's work at the end of the hour, then let them carry on!