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Who is unreasonable? Friend of NDN

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UnsuspectedItem · 15/05/2018 19:02

I used to live in a row of terraced houses and became friends with my neighbour. I have since moved out and new tenants have moved in.
Friend is having a few problems with her NDN. They are rude, appear to steal post and noisy.

Most recently they have installed CCTV in the shared garden. Having lived there before, I'm aware of the layout so have provided a diagram.

There is a small courtyard behind the houses. Both houses have equal and shared access to this courtyard. It is perhaps 30sqm, really not very big at all. The backyard has access to the main road via a wooden gate.

Both Friend and New NDNs rent from the same landlord, who is a complete prick and have equal access to this piece of land. Friend has been there for 3+ years, NDN for 2 months.

For reasons completely unknown, NDNs have installed CCTV in the backgarden. The area does not have a crime problem.

My friend previously enjoyed using the outdoor space, particularly in summer but now feels very uncomfortable (if it is relevant, she has anxiety problems that keep her mostly housebound) as it is under 24/7 filmed surveillance. The NDN refuse to take it down. Friend feels like her privacy is being invaded as she cannot enter or exit her house without being filmed and her kitchen and living area are also under surveillance.

Does she have any rights here? Or as the garden is shared, can NDN freely film it?

Who is unreasonable? Friend of NDN
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Allthebestnamesareused · 15/05/2018 19:07

Has the landlord authorised it?

There may be a valud reason eg. She has a restraining order or similar against someone. If the landlord has allowed it then I suspect it is too bad.

I don't think there is anywhere that is totally crime free and you don't know what the ndn may have gone through in the past. So I would say friend is BU

DevilsDoorbell · 15/05/2018 19:08

I would be extremely unhappy about this and would be complying to the landlord even if he is useless

DevilsDoorbell · 15/05/2018 19:09

Even if NDN has permission for the garden, they shouldn’t be able to see inside the indoor space of your friend

CitySnicker · 15/05/2018 19:12

Yeah. I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed regardless of need and permission by owner.

Achafi · 15/05/2018 19:15

I'm not totally sure but maybe the information commission regulate this. Of not them then your friend could try the council community safety partnership.

UnsuspectedItem · 15/05/2018 19:16

I have a vague feeling that in order for this to be okay, Friend needs to have free access to the footage being taken. So NDN would need to provide a system which allows her to log in and access it also.

I have no idea what I'm talking about though, so it could be bollocks.

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BoomBoomsCousin · 15/05/2018 19:20

If the camera captures images of the inside of your friend's property then they need to comply with the Data Protection Act (which will cost them). I don't know if this also applies to the shared yard, given it isn't solely the NDN's residence it may be considered "public" fromt he IC's perspective. See ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv-on-your-property/

The easiest thing would be to see if the landlord would get involved, but if he's a prick you'll probably need to go Information Commissioner/community police route.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/05/2018 19:38

When you say shared garden, do you mean shared because there’s no fence between the 2 gardens or the whole thing is shared (ie no delineage)? As ppl have said, no one can put up cctv capturing images on your property. Even if it is the former, as there is no fence and the patch is so small, I can’t see how it isn’t capturing your property.

Nikephorus · 15/05/2018 19:38

Spray over the lens with black paint (without being seen) or turn it round to point somewhere else... If you can't beat them, try harder!

Bunnyfuller · 15/05/2018 19:39

This isn't police business unless this actually becomes a neighbourhood dispute. Why not google the law about CCTV?

BoomBoomsCousin · 15/05/2018 20:07

It's already a neighbour dispute Bunny.

CitySnicker · 16/05/2018 14:49

If lanlord has given permission are they not breaking your friends contract by not allowing ‘quiet enjoyment’ of their property?

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