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To think the NHS are deliberately keeping people (mostly women) sick?

284 replies

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:02

This is specifically about thyroid issues. I’ve posted elsewhere about my recent test results, but after doing a lot of research I’m left extremely angry with the NHS.

If a patient goes to the GP with symptoms of hypothyroidism, —if they’re lucky— they’ll get a blood test. Often the GP will only test for TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone), even though this alone is not a sufficient indicator of thyroid health.

The “normal” lab range for TSH is usually between 0.3 and 4.0 or thereabouts. If you’re within that range, you’re told your thyroid is fine, regardless of symptoms.

In almost every other European country plus America and Australia, if your level is above 3.0 (or in some places 2.5) you are diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Expert organisations have done studies and found that 2.5 -3.0 is the correct cut off for diagnosis.

But the NHS? It’s 10.0, up to four times higher than other countries, even though the lab range upper normal levels are around 4.0.

After a decade of battling for a diagnosis because I have textbook symptoms, I finally have a TSH level over the normal range (5.95), after paying for private testing three times. If I lived in another country, I’d be treated now without question (actually I would have been treated a long time ago). But instead, unless I have a very sympathetic GP, I must continue to suffer until it reaches a ridiculous level, by which point I imagine I’d be unable to function at all, and my risk of much more dangerous conditions would be even higher.

Why do they do this? They admit themselves that if the levels were lowered they’d have to treat a lot more people. So people, mainly women, are deliberately being left to suffer because of money.

The fact that it’s mostly women who develop hypothyroidism isn’t lost on me (since I have another condition that affects only women and which takes an average of 9 years to diagnose). Neither is the fact that, under the current system, anyone diagnosed with hypothyroidism is entitled to free prescriptions, a rule which may actually mean many people aren’t being diagnosed in the first place.

How is this allowed? Why is there not more outrage about this? Given the fact that thyroid issues commonly occur during and after pregnancy, it seems somewhere like Mumsnet would be a good place to start a campaign in this area.

I’m sure there are many women here who are going through the same thing I am. The last 10 years of my life have been horrendous in terms of my health and I’ve absolutely had enough.

NICE guidelines state that if a patient has symptoms and a TSH of 4-10, the GP can “consider” a trial of treatment. That’s it. It’s not bloody good enough.

OP posts:
SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:28

Levo might be cheap, but regular monitoring / blood tests, additional appointments, and getting all prescriptions free for life for many thousands of people are definitely not.

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ElizaBenson · 10/05/2018 22:28

I should also say im on ndt not levo, it suits me much better

BestIsWest · 10/05/2018 22:30

I agree. Mine is 7. I had to cry in front of the GP before she would agree to give me the tiniest (25) dose of Levothyroxine and this is after years of similar tests.

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:31

Women are routinely told to get on with it in all manner of medical stuff. Period problems being the main one. I’ll never forget my ex going to A&E with a bog standard stomach ache and being treated like he was dying. I mentioned it to a doctor and he said “men his age don’t exaggerate pain or come to hospital if they don’t need to”....presumably he felt women do ffs!

Ain’t that the fucking truth. For several years prior to my endo diagnosis I was in and out of hospital because I’d literally pass out from the pain, and my notes constantly had “psychosomatic”, “somatoform?” Etc written all over them. Can’t say it got a lot better after I was diagnosed to be honest.

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Huffinpuff · 10/05/2018 22:33

@SinkGirl Did you also have your FT4 tested or just TSH? You should have both. In any case, it sounds like your GP does not know how to interpret the test results. You should review the NICE guidelines linked below and go back to him with this information. Expect to be sneered at as they don't like being corrected.
cks.nice.org.uk/hypothyroidism#!diagnosissub:1

You could also consult the GP notebook online—these state exactly what steps the GP should take (tests, referrals etc.) when presented with a set of symptoms—but you will need a subscription.

AntiHop · 10/05/2018 22:33

I developed symptoms in my 20s. Put on loads of weight. Would fall asleep on the sofa after work. But my blood test was 'normal'. I was seeing a consultant for something else and she wrote to my gp suggesting a trial of thyroxine. It made such a difference to how I felt. I finally got an official diagnosis and these days I'm on 125mcg.

Cagliostro · 10/05/2018 22:34

So sorry for all those suffering :( I’m interested as I have ME and fibro, my thyroid levels were tested and I believe they did the further tests not just the TSH.

However I am actually seeing an endocrinologist tomorrow as recent blood tests suggest I may have overactive thyroid, even though my symptoms apparently suggest otherwise. I’ll be very interested to see what they say about my medical history

leggere · 10/05/2018 22:34

Whereabouts on the foot is the pain op? Dd (adult) is sluggish, obese, fatigued, foot pain and diagnosed with fibro.

TammySwansonTwo · 10/05/2018 22:34

Eliza absolutely PCOS can be treated. It’s horrific they’ve treated you this way.

Can I ask how much you have to spend each month to self medicate? I want to do this properly if I can, through the GP etc, but I’m not going to lose another ten years to these symptoms. All I want to do is damn well try and see if it helps - why would they refuse this? They could easily do a test after a few weeks to make sure you’re still in safe range - why let someone suffer something that could potentially be massively improved?

Or am I supposed to believe that American, Australian, European etc women are so genetically different that they need treatment at a lower TSH level?!

Cagliostro · 10/05/2018 22:34

And yes YANBU at all.

leggere · 10/05/2018 22:35

Oh and depression. Been off work months!

phlewf · 10/05/2018 22:35

This is really interesting to me. Went to the dr because Mum, aunt and granny all have over active thyroid, was tested as just over every month for 3 months then nothing because it wasn’t changing but I didn’t fully research. I’ve been at the gp for depression so I better leave it a while because they’ll not believe it’s not connected.

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:37

Thank you Huffin, i will look into that.

FT4 is 15.7 (12-22), whereas about 10 months ago when my TSH was 2.02 my FT4 was only 12.5

What’s strange is that my FT3 was mid range but is now top of the range at 6.53 (3.1-6.8). So maybe I have a conversion issue somewhere? I don’t really get it to be honest!

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jmscp2015 · 10/05/2018 22:38

This could be me as it is many of you, so glad I saw this. Thank you OP

BestIsWest · 10/05/2018 22:38

I had another endocrine disorder for years that caused all kinds of problems including osteoporosis. Even after diagnosis I was just dismissed as ‘it’s probably the menopause causing your symptoms not the disease’.

The cure was a simple operation but they made me wait 3 years for it until I had it done privately - during that time I was a frequent visitor to A&E with fractures. All that cost borne by the NHS and all the pain I had to endure just dismissed by an arrogant endocrinologist- male of course.

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:38

leggere it’s the long bone on the outside of my foot, has felt like it’s broken for months. Nothing like PF, the pain is in the bone itself and on top.

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leggere · 10/05/2018 22:40

Tammy, how is pcos treated please? Dd diagnosed with that too, but no treatment given?

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:40

Cagliostro could be Hashimotos? Levels and symptoms vary x

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ElizaBenson · 10/05/2018 22:41

I spend about £40 per month on medication, it can go up if there is a shortage of it and down sometimes, if you join the online forum thyroid patient advocacy there is a lot of extremely good information on thyroid issues, test results etc and also links to online pharmacies abroad who will ship medication over.

I genuinely think the people on those forums saved my life. My breathing problems are a specific symptom of advanced thyroid problems that eventually end up with your breathing stopping. Although its very rare people still die from it but usually misdiagnosed as a severe asthma attack as they "dont" have thyroid problems. I remember crying in bed being so scared to go to sleep because I was having to force myself to breath because it wasnt happening automatically and I was scared I would go to sleep and not wake up. The problem went after only a few weeks on medication.

leggere · 10/05/2018 22:42

Thanks SinkGirl

SinkGirl · 10/05/2018 22:44

leggere you might find this useful. you can’t treat the illness but some things can help with the symptoms. I have friends who are on metformin but as it’s off label for PCOS they’ve had to get it via an endocrinologist
www.nice.org.uk/advice/esuom6/chapter/Key-points-from-the-evidence

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JustGettingStarted · 10/05/2018 22:44

I don't have any such problems, but this is shocking to read.

ElizaBenson · 10/05/2018 22:44

Sinkgirl have you had your reverse t3 tested that should clarify if there is a conversion issue

JustGettingStarted · 10/05/2018 22:45

There should definitely be a campaign about this issue.

UpstartCrow · 10/05/2018 22:48

Yanbu, doctors are being paid not to refer patients to hospital.

Or looking at it another way, doctors are accepting money from a Right wing govt to let patients take their chances.

people are being penalised left right and centre