This Morning - Kids having ears pierced is child abuse ?

[daffodillament]

What utter nonsense. Just tuned in as heard them mention this subject stemmed from Mumsnet ! Now the woman is saying Kids ear piercing is basicly the same as FGM !! I mean WTF ? Get a grip. No it not !

@mzcracker a quick check of previous posts says yes!

What do mean by 'chavvy' ? Are you meaning this as in 'common' ? Two very derogatory terms. Who do you think you are being so judgemental?

Ear piercing should be 18+ like all others.

If you did get them done, why do you even want your daughter to have them? It's pretty fucking grim doing that to a baby or letting a young child get them. Think about them really in the context of older females. They are for decoration. For attraction. For adornment. For fashion.

Pushing that on to a baby??

G.r.i.m.

God knows what you two think you’ve found - l spend most of my time on style and beauty!
And just to remind you...
It has never been good form to bring up previous posts!

Ear piercing should be 18+ like all others

No piercings (apart from intimate piercings - genitals/nipples) are illegal under 18 with parental consent.

@omBreROSE

Really? If I got a sharp implement and jabbed holes into your childs flesh causing pain and bleeding, would that not be child abuse? How is it not if its my own kid and its to make them "look pretty"?

This

Also for people saying it looks chavvy, does personal taste really matter in this discussion? This about parents piercing holes in vulnerable babies for cosmetic purposes, it's abuse.

The moment you respond to someone else's opinion with the phrase 'do one' is the moment you lose all credibility.

Smeddum
Please not the biscuit
Please not the biscuit!

Funny. They wont do any here (apart from ears) in every salon I've ever been to under 18 even with consent. Not that it stopped me at 15 getting all and sundry pierced but still.

They wont do any here (apart from ears) in every salon I've ever been to under 18 even with consent

Could well be down to licensing laws of local authorities or the choice of the salon themselves.

No piercing is age-dependent apart from genital/intimate areas

Not abuse, but should be outlawed as its inflicting pain and risk on a child too young to give informed consent.

Intentionally and unnecessarily inflicting pain on your child is abusive

I have to phone social services if a child I'm working with discloses their parent has hit them (quite rightly) but it's legal and socially acceptable to pay someone to jab holes in your toddlers body with a needle. Makes no sense to me.

Iron...Do one

One what? Shot? Dance? 's best? Please elaborate.

FGM is cultural. It’s illegal though. Culture does not trump cruelty. Except in some cultures of course!

Can you imagine Princess Charlotte with pierced ears? I’ve never seen professional parents with a baby with pierced ears!

@BubblesBuddy

Can you imagine Princess Charlotte with pierced ears? I’ve never seen professional parents with a baby with pierced ears!

Exactly!

it is common though

I think it's best to let them decide for themselves. If they're too young to consent then I'm afraid I don't think it's right but to each their own.

Don’t think they should be done till a child can ask for them to be pierced and then remember and continue to ask for them to be done. Whether this is at 4y or 12y would depend on the child’s capacity to make an informed choice x

What kind of professional parents do you mean BubblesBuddy?
My dd aged 6 has her ears pierced. She asked, we spoke about it, got it done in a reputable place and she’s had no problems. I guess people are judging us then?

Not comparable with FGM but of course it is abuse. It's punching holes through flesh without consent. If you did this to a sleeping (or otherwise unable to consent) adult you'd be arrested for GBH

I think it's becoming less common in babies and like smacking will make it's way into being considered abusive but still away from the world of mumsnet is considered socially acceptable rather than abusive currently. I wouldn't choose to do it, but I would in no way look at a loving parent who's made that choice and catagorise them as abusive since it's still fairly culturally acceptable off mumsnet to see small children with pierced ears and like circumcision- away from mumsnet not everyone has thought it through and debated it at great length and lots of families "just do it" for varying reasons.

Prior to mumsnetting I may have done it if I'd had a girl. I'm sure I'd have felt awful about it after the screaming but I might not have thought any further than "cute" until I'd actually done it without reading a thousand times on MN about how horrible it is to inflict it. As with smacking... it used to just be the norm.

Which is where I think boards like mumsnet are great- minds change and people think. Sometimes

It's disgusting and abuse... why would you intentionally hurt a child to make them look pretty. Why do some parents see babies as accesories. Probably the same parents who buy the bow glue and glue ridiculous bows to babies heads..... feel so sorry for the poor children being lumbered with idiotic parents...

My dd aged 6 has her ears pierced. She asked, we spoke about it, got it done in a reputable place and she’s had no problems. I guess people are judging us then?

Yes. Sorry if you dont like it, but its true, some people are judging you'.