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To feel sad they have no dm to cuddle.

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Aprilmightbemynewname · 02/05/2018 10:27

School chicks started to hatch this morning. First one just sat there alone with no lovely fluffy dm to snuggle into.
Feeling a bit uncomfortable with the idea of them in glass tank and then rehomed as the teacher said will happen. Who teaches them how to be, well, a chicken?
Sad

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starsorwater · 02/05/2018 13:22

Designedforlife you are misinformed. Very few male calves are allowed to live more than 48 hours. Beef cattle and dairy are different breeds.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/05/2018 13:49

Males calves are definitely seen as a waste product in the dairy industry and as we won’t eat veal they can’t even be reared for that.

BuntyII · 02/05/2018 13:58

Yes male chicks are killed at birth, or there would be roosters crowing all over the country. They're usually gassed I believe.

Ariela · 02/05/2018 14:29

We used to send hatching eggs in to daughter's school and take them all back as chicks a week or two after they hatched. Cockerels = dinner, hens = more layers.

BrendasUmbrella · 02/05/2018 18:36

when you see those red spots on supermarket chickens that is where they’ve been burned by the heat lamp

I thought they were ammonia burns, from chickens literally sitting in their own waste?

Aprilmightbemynewname · 02/05/2018 18:38

3 hatched this morning. 7 eggs left.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 02/05/2018 18:45

Excuse my stupidity but if male chicks are killed at birth. How do we get them in the beginning. Surely you need a male and female. They don't produce asexually, do they

getoutofthebath · 02/05/2018 18:49

You only need one male to a brood of hens. It's not like they pair up and get married.

TheHonSaucyJane · 02/05/2018 18:54

It's the same with cows, sheep etc - one male for lots of females.

Modern big scale farming is not fluffy. It's in no small part why I don't eat meat and only buy local organic meat for the DC.

Rinoachicken · 02/05/2018 19:04

Male chicks are sent for the pet food industry as well - snake food, food for carnivorous animals in zoos etc

BrazenHusky74 · 02/05/2018 19:08

starsorwater as dairy farmer I can assure you that our bull calves are not shot within 48 hours. We rear them until they are weaned, 11 weeks, and then sell them to an neighbouring farmer who keeps them for 18-24 months before selling them directly to an abbattoir.

They are pedigree Holsteins and taste awful, rarely used for topside or steak, but perfectly fine for burgers and ready meals.

DeadGood · 02/05/2018 19:17

“I understand some don't like to kill to eat, but at least get the basic facts straight.”

“Cows generally have pretty good lives to be fair.”

Oh, the irony.

Designed4Life, have a little think about what it would be like to be a dairy cow.

starsorwater · 02/05/2018 19:39

Brazen that's brilliant, I really struggle with buying dairy (I buy Yeovalley who I think have the same methods as you) but it's not typical, is it?

BrazenHusky74 · 02/05/2018 20:07

starsorwater It's getting far more common. About 15 years ago we would have had the bull calves shot. We now use sexed semen and instead of having 50% bull calves we now have about 25%. Most dairy farmers are doing the same.

I won't paint a rosy, romantic picture of farming. Most decisions are based on economics. Our cows work hard and we try to ensure they have a good quality of life. They are grazed and milked by robots giving them greater freedom and choice. At the end of the day unhealthy/unhappy cows won't produce milk.

starsorwater · 02/05/2018 20:13

Brazen I am so pleased to hear that. I hope more and more farmers do the same.

DesignedForLife · 02/05/2018 22:23

Starsorwater - all my family are dairy farmers, and the male calves are sold at market once weaned.

Dairy cows work hard, but they live out in fields in summer and are well fed, well cared for, and well look after. They have space to move about and get as much time out in pasture as is possible without them turning the fields to mud. Much nicer than the life of the average chicken who gets crammed into giant huts with little room to move about, and that's the "free range" chickens, not to mention the horrific conditions that caged chickens endure.

DialsMavis · 04/05/2018 20:06

Off the back of this thread I emailed Yeo Valley to ask if all their suppliers treat their cows in the same way they do on their own farm and I was satisfied with the response, I think they are saying that all the milk they produce has similar animal welfare standards?! I was interested as DH and the DC do drink milk.

From the moment any of our calves are born they stay exclusively with their mother for a minimum of the first 3 days. Practices vary from farm to farm. They are removed from their mothers at this time so that the bond between the cow and calf is not too strong and so that the cow can rejoin the main milking herd. Sometimes the cow still calls for the calf but this is usually stops after an hour or so. If required it can then get its milk from either a nurse cow or go into a pen to be fed individually so its feeding and welfare can be monitored.

All our calves are fed milk up to 12 weeks, which is 6 weeks longer than conventional calves. We keep our calves in pens to allow them to develop until they are confident to be placed and raised in groups. The group then stay together grazing indoors or out, depending on the weather conditions.

Please let me reassure you that on our Yeo Valley farms, when a bull calf is born, we never destroy the animal as we rear British Friesian calves that have a value when reared for meat. The Soil Association don’t allow their farmers to shoot any calves at birth, instead an alternative market must be found. We do not currently do rose veal, but grow them on until they are two to three years, this is most suited to the British Friesian. This breed may not produce the sheer quantities of milk a Holstein would produce, but is the most suited in our opinion, to succeed within our climate and also be a dual purpose animal producing both meat and milk. Unfortunately we cannot keep all of the bull calves on our farms due to the numbers and the space required. We do sell some of them, however, we use the local market that we know well and do not deal with stock market dealers who specialise in export. Any calf we sell would be sold before 42 days; they would never be sold to be exported but would have to be grown on in a similar way to us.

All of our delicious organic milk comes from a South West based cooperative of dairy farmers (OMSCo), whose cows are all able to graze on the lush pastures of England & Wales. All their animals are raised in accordance with organic standards. Each farm will work to the organic standards, but implement things slightly differently to our own farm but at no detriment to the animal. We are working with OMSCo and The Soil Association to provide further education to improve welfare on these farms also. The benefit of OMSCo is that all farmers are paid a fair price for their milk so then can develop sustainability within farming. A fair price means a farmer can plan and invest and it is our aim to see farmers succeed in the UK as too many farmers historically have given up farming because this has been un-economical for them.

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