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Switching off life support

15 replies

Chicken1970 · 24/04/2018 18:40

While I've got the up most sympathy for little Alfie's parents, there comes a time when you must think of your child. What their future will be and what sort of life will they lead. I know from my own experience, that switching off your baby's life support is the hardest thing ever. Your heart breaks into a million pieces. But with my own baby we were told after 3 attacks and 20 minutes without oxygen, they would be profoundly brain damaged and be in a vegetative state for the rest of their life. We all want to keep our loved close and with us forever. But are times that we are selfish in keeping loved ones alive not for their sake but our own.

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LilyTheSavage · 24/04/2018 19:32

Flowers OP. How brave you are to post. I totally understand (having lost one of my own precious DS). I don't post very often but didn't want to read and run. I would imagine that poor wee Alfie's parents are just clinging to any vestige of hope. I feel so sorry for them.

Sending you love.

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Yarboosucks · 24/04/2018 20:12

The issue is that the poor little mite has a degenerative condition, there is no hope for him to recover. I cannot for one minute believe that he is not as bad as the doctors say. It is awful for his parents, but calling into question the judgement of his doctors is not right. We are not party to his detailed medical information. The doctors cannot defend themselves in public, but their evidence has been sufficient to convince the courts.

Yarboosucks · 24/04/2018 20:13

OP, thank you for your brave post. Hugs to you

DancingLedge · 24/04/2018 20:14

Chicken Flowers

DroningOn · 24/04/2018 20:15
Flowers
theunsureone · 24/04/2018 20:16

OP I’m sending my love to you, you are so brave for posting. As I understand it all Italy want to do is give palliative care and after watching the documentary about children with tracheostomies and other kids with tubes down their throats and I don’t think it's right to let the child suffer like that it's cruel

Sparklesocks · 24/04/2018 20:18

Sending you love chicken Flowers

From what I understand even although little Alfie has been able to perform some functions like breathing etc, he doesn’t have any brain activity, and his brain will only degenerate further. It’s absolutely heartbreaking, but I don’t think what makes Alfie ‘alfie’ is still with us.

Efrig · 24/04/2018 20:19

He is in a vegetative state though Duchy

whywhywhywhywhyyy · 24/04/2018 20:20

and several specialists have agreed that more might be done for him if he was kept on life support.

No they haven't. Every single doctor that's examined him say he's for palliative care only.

Efrig · 24/04/2018 20:20

The part of the brain which controls breathing is located in the brain stem. You cannot exist as a sentient being if only your brain stem is functioning. This child has no quality of life.

Thymeout · 24/04/2018 20:34

I know Alder Hey aren't making any further comments, but I do wish that someone medical would explain to the public that 'breathing on his own' isn't enough to sustain life. My mother was on the Liverpool Care Pathway, aged 94, after 5 years of dementia. She was breathing on her own till her last breath, but all the time her oxygen levels were going down. This meant that her vital organs were failing until her heart eventually stopped. It's part of the dying process. In her case it took nearly 9 days. Giving her food or water would have made her death more painful. Her lungs would have been water-logged and her stomach couldn't digest food.

I saw a programme in which doctors tried to raise the sats of a child when they were dangerously low through a chest infection. I think 60% was the danger limit when she would go into cardiac arrest. She had a lot of medical problems, but she had a good life, and everyone, parents and doctors wanted her to go on living it. They did manage to save her.

Alfie can't survive on oxygen through a mask. He needs to be intubated and the air forced into his lungs to bring his levels up. But that would be taking him back to his previous state, just waiting for disintegration of his brain to reach his brain stem. It's a horrible process to be intubated and have unpleasant procedures to clear secretions from your lungs. This is Alfie's 'life'. Patients without brain damage are usually sedated while intubated. Or have a tracheostomy, which is the only 'treatment' the Italians have offered, I think. And why would you put him through the stress of surgery at this point? By all accounts, even just being moved in his bed triggers a seizure.

Let him die peacefully, with dignity.

So sorry about your own experience, Op. Flowers At least my mother was at the end of a long life, well lived, but it was so hard to watch.

NanooCov · 24/04/2018 20:36

Duchy, absolutely nothing of what you have said is true.

FreshTart · 24/04/2018 20:55

Chicken thankyou for posting this. From another parent who's been there, I understand.

We need to have more conversations around a 'good death'. We also all need to remember that what we want isn't always in the best interests of the person who is too ill to make decisions surrounding their care

Efrig · 24/04/2018 21:00

I think the public have a woefully poor understanding of end of life issues and the constant media diet of vacuous entertainment only encourages an immature and ignorant outlook. Look at that awful Jeremy Kyle programme for instance. Grown people acting like toddlers, yelling and screaming, refusing to accept reality and believing the world revolves around them. Not good (no I don’t watch it, it’s on at work so I can’t avoid it).

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