Help advice needed!

[littlebunnyhophophop]

Posting for traffic , I am 23 and back when I was just 16 I had a fairly horrific time at home/school I fell in with the wrong crowd and was cautioned with shoplifting and then a few months later had a fine through the letter box from the procurator fiscal (I'm in Scotland just incase it's relevant) the was £75 and at the time I was told it wouldn't show on checks as long as it was paid (which it was) I've never been in any trouble since and have 2 young children I've been looking at applying for a job within the prison system and it includes an enhanced dbs check , will these show or am I doomed from those stupid choices I made years ago 🤐
Thanks for reading!

I don't know if Scotland is different from England in this respect - but here in England, these offences would definitely show up on an enhanced DBS check.

One of my friebds is a doctor with a caution for shoplifting when she was younger. Lots of people will have that sort of thing. I’d be open and honest about it. Even if it does show on an enhanced DBS check, it’s really not an automatic no from an employer.

It might be easier all around if you are up front about it

www.mygov.scot/enhanced-disclosure/

I don’t think it will show if you are under 18 providing no further trouble.

they did tell you if the fine was paid it wouldnt show on records though op

Hi I'm a teacher not sure about Scotland but think it would show in England HOWEVER if you have a good explanation I don't think it would stop u getting the job. I have an ex colleague who had a caution and fine for urinating in a public place as a student. He was open about it and explained it as being a one off when young etc...he is now a Head Master.

i think in the line of work you are going into honesty is the best policy

I don't have an issue declaring I am more than happy to explain the circumstances around it it was a really difficult time for me and I don't like to lie , but this is the part that's holding me back it says if youv been convicted in the last 10 years they can't go ahead with the application 😔

Check the definition of "caution". My memory was that they brought in cautions because the peak age for offending was in the last year before school leaving age, and it was an aim to deal with offenders without saddling them with a criminal conviction. If I'm right, then you haven't been convicted. You have admitted your guilt (else you wouldn't have been eligible for a caution), so you should be prepared to be upfront.

A caution is not a criminal conviction...
www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

You can’t lie. They will find out.

A friend of mine used to work in criminal research, and gave a talk to the local Rotary Club (generally regarded as "pillars of the community") which included the statistic that one third of men had acquired a criminal conviction before their 30s. After the talk he had a succession of Rotary Club members sidle up to him and explain the mitigation circumstances behind their teenage shoplifting convictions.

But a fine is yes? Or isn't it I'm confused I might actually phone the sps on Monday and explain the situation and see what they say 🙄

You can’t lie. They will find out. And lying about a caution/conviction will bar you from a job even when the actual caution/ conviction would not have done.

I might actually phone the sps on Monday and explain the situation and see what they say

That’s definitely the best idea.

It looks like a fine isn't a conviction, either:
"The police or procurator fiscal can give you a 'direct measure' for an alleged offence (a crime you're accused of committing). For example, a warning, fine or unpaid community work. Accepting a direct measure means you won't go to court or get a criminal conviction. "
www.mygov.scot/police-fiscal-warning-penalty/

I'm in England. Anything and everything shows on an enhanced DBS.

But that is no the end of the story, the employer has to carry out the DBS process, what they do with the information is different.

I know a teacher with a conviction for assault, she has to explain the circumstances at any interview but because of the circumstances it has not stopped her.

There are people who work with scouts / guides with things on their DBS. Second hand I know one who is OK to work with scouts but not guides so cannot take part in joint scout and guide events.

Most places encourage you to 'self declare' before they do the check, they are looking for someone suitable now. Something like a teenage shoplifting conviction is not going to worry any sane employer, as you have said you have not been in trouble since.

After the age of 18 though sash

So if I do the application and put no for convictions but in the little box at the bottom just self declare and say I and the fine and caution and explain mitigating circumstances it should be ok? I feel so bloody stupid for those things I done and how it's effecting me now!

sounds like a plan op

Well the worst thing that can happen is they say 'no' and there is a good chance they won't.

Sorry immortalmarble not sure what you mean?