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Suspicious Landlord...

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OopsyStudent · 18/04/2018 13:31

Putting it here hoping that there's someone who can help! Sorry it is long, do not want to drip-feed.

I am a student. I live with my partner and three other flatmates in a five-bedroom flat. It is the first time we have all rented with a private landlord, hence why we are needing some advice.

Background: our contract has no break clause. This means we are tied in until August. The landlord gave us permission to sub-let if ever we wished to move out, otherwise we must continue paying rent until August even if we leave. Rent (excluding bills) in £450pcm, so as you can imagine, it has been a bit of a struggle. The flat is ok, great location, but definitely worn out.

Last night, my flatmate informed me that she had discovered that our landlord was untraceable in the landlord registry. She had contacted him about this, and he said that he had recently renewed his number and thus there was a new one. Reluctantly he gave her the new number which remained untraceable. Our money each month goes to a business account, not a personal one. Our landlord works in a family business (so we thought nothing of it), and we also found that his parents had bought the flat that we live in, so surely that means that it is not his flat? Can someone buy a house and entrust another to be a landlord?

Our landlord has his mail continually sent to the flat, and once we got curious and opened it to see he was in massive amounts of debt. This has worried us as we have all placed down a £400 deposit which we feel we could potentially lose. There was broken furniture when we moved in, which I immediately took videos/pictures of, and they have yet to be fixed. Our move-in date was also postponed due to apparent renovations and decoration, however (I did not realise until last night) when our flatmate moved in on the allotted day, our landlord did not greet them with keys but another tenant who had been living there. He apparently left dirty dishes, was sleeping in a sleeping bag on the bed and then after handing over keys complained he had nowhere else to go. We have also had visits from past tenants to collect things several times. Our landlord has only visited once, at the start. His father has inspected twice, the most recent time we did not have 24 hours notice, and we have been told that we do not have to be present when he inspects as he has keys, just so long as he makes us aware of his visit. We have had one fire safety inspection, and no council inspection, whereas other flats we know of have had at least one council visit. Our landlord also promised an itinerary, and has yet to give us this. We signed all our documents separately, however we were later told to re-sign one page together so our signatures were on one sheet. He was supposed to provide us with the sheet, but never did, thus whilst we have all signed separate sheets we still have not signed that one together.

The more we think about things the stranger it is. It definitely seems unprofessional in any case. My parents seem to think perhaps he is illegally subletting but not sure how to check this or who to ask. AIBU to be suspicious and seek advice, or am I just confused about renting and have different expectations to reality?

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AlwaysOn13th · 18/04/2018 15:27

Hi op

I rented in Glasgow as a student, then worked in a job that involved housing, and am also a (non dodgy) Glasgow landlord.

You need to get on to your student support services and/or the council's Landlord Registration Unit.

The landlord should be registered and using a deposit scheme.

The Registration Unit can be a bit slow, although you can find your local councillors on the city council website if you don't hear back.

For future reference, your uni will have a list of non dodgy landlords for next year. You should also speak to them about a checklist of things your landlord should be compliant with.

Cloudyapples · 18/04/2018 15:29

If you’re in Glasgow check out Shelter Scotland

StandardsHighSquatsLow · 18/04/2018 15:34

Even though you may have paid the deposit into the same bank account you paid the rent into, your l/l legally has to then put it into a scheme and give you a certificate. If he doesn't, you can take him to court (only after asking for the certificate - I would send nice email saying you just realised you never received it off him and please could he send it asap) and get a lot of money out of him. But you need to have asked for it if he hasn't already provided it.

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 18/04/2018 15:37

Yes ask for a copy of the Deposit Protection cert and the details of the holding scheme...
I would guess that your deposit is not registered in a deposit scheme, in which case you will be laughing.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/04/2018 15:38

You don't need to ask for it. The law requires the LL to provide it! That is the same all over the UK!

pigmcpigface · 18/04/2018 15:38

As a PP advised, get in touch with your university housing team - they will have experience of similar situations.

Be prepared to withhold rent to ensure you don't lose your deposit. I wouldn't normally advise this, but in this case there are alarm bells ringing left, right, and centre and you haven't had any straight answers to sensible questions.

hummusscot · 18/04/2018 15:58

I am also in Glasgow and the whole situation sounds dodgy but especially the rent being so much... £2250 is a lot of money for Glasgow prices even in a five bed

AntiGrinch · 18/04/2018 16:04

Don't tell anyone you opened his post. It's illegal.

LakieLady · 18/04/2018 16:06

Have you got a gas safety certificate? These should be issued annually, and landlords who cut corners often let this slide.

I also don't see how the "landlord" can actually be the landlord unless he owns the property. It sounds like illegal subletting to me.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/04/2018 16:14

Don't tell anyone you opened his post. It's illegal. Not quite!

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/26/part/V/crossheading/offences-of-interfering-with-the-mail

So if it was opened in error, no offence was committed Smile

CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/04/2018 16:16

I also don't see how the "landlord" can actually be the landlord unless he owns the property. It sounds like illegal subletting to me It happens a lot and is perfectly legal. A landlord can simply be someone acting on behalf of the owner, child for parent, friend for friend, agent for owner, etc etc.

But yes, that is a contributing factor in the illegal subletting cons.

ratspeaker · 18/04/2018 16:18

Another to say, as has been mentioned above, student services for advice,get HMO registration check, look for gas safety etc.

Under Scottish Law landlords of HMO must be registered with local authority. That is renting to 3 or more unrelated people.
www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=18308

Also by law the deposit must be placed in an approved scheme and you should have been told which scheme.
The students in the link below took their landlord to sheriff court.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-37551514

AhhhhThatsBass · 18/04/2018 16:18

Withold your rent until you get proof that your deposit is being held by a registered governmental deposit scheme. Ordinarily I'd never advise anyone to withhold rent (as a landlord myself) but if he isn't acting legally with the deposit, then most likely he would be loathe to throw you out because he would stand to lose quite a lot by the fine he would get for not correctly managing deposit - which you could document. You could also shop him to HMRC as chances are he isn't paying any tax on the income. And if you're in an illegal HMO, you have further rights. So you're in quite a strong position.

ratspeaker · 18/04/2018 16:27

Btw, my DD is. Glasgow student and her landlord has been lovely.
But when we were first looking there were some really dodgy folk about, ie trying to charge fees for reference checks ( not allowed in Scotland) , one landlord looked at me like I had two heads when I asked about deposit schemes, one flat had the dodgiest boiler Id ever seen...
DD found her current landlord through the uni.

Glasgow council have been clamping down on dodgy landlords.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38143587

herewearenow · 18/04/2018 16:36

You opened his post because you were curious?? Hardly reputable on your part. Did you pass his post on to him opened or just dispose of it? Hope you know the legal ramifications of this. Hmm

OopsyStudent · 18/04/2018 17:08

CuriousaboutSamphire definitely!
ParisUSM aye that's where flatmate looked for both numbers. I'm going to wait a few days then ask him again for the landlord number and see which he gives me, just to double check.

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TheRagingGirl · 18/04/2018 17:10

Our landlord has his mail continually sent to the flat, and once we got curious and opened it to see he was in massive amounts of debt.

You should not have done that. The financial situation of your landlord is none of your business.

Your deposit should be in a deposit scheme: did you ask the landlord about that?

Thing is, the ownership of the flat and the business arrangements around it, are none of your business. Get clear advice on your rights around inspections, gas safety certificate, and the secure deposit scheme for your rental bond.

The rest of it, YABU

bonbonlavie · 18/04/2018 17:12

oopsy

Contact the CAB. Where in Glasgow are you? South, east or west?

nwatty · 18/04/2018 17:14

Due to the number of households in the property it is a HMO and thus should be registered as one. I know in Falkirk HMOs are registered through the licensing section. There will be some kind of private sector housing team in Glasgow city Council who deal with landlord registration. They should be your first port of call along with licensing. I know there are problems with the new landlord registration Scotland site, it doesn't always show accurate information. Also Shelter can give you free legal advice

OopsyStudent · 18/04/2018 17:21

ratspeaker honestly, the amount of people moving about this year due to dodgy landlords is amazing (and terrible). Glad your daughter got sorted with a good one! See before this thread I didn't even know about deposit schemes. Spoken to my family to update them on this thread and discuss the findings and they were just as stunned. Glad I know now though.
hummusscot we're in West End if that makes a difference? Went to a viewing today and where we are apparently the average is £750pcm, but that was just for a 2 bed. It's crazy!

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OopsyStudent · 18/04/2018 17:24

I'm waiting to see if other flatmates are 100% deciding to move out or not (I definitely will be) in which case I'm all for looking into ending our contract early. It's exam time soon, so I think I'll wait until exams are done then go to the council/uni and get to the nitty gritty of HMO and licensing, just in case they want to immediately pursue him. I've found a flat I'd be happy to move to at short notice, but I obviously want to make sure flatmates are sorted as well just in case.

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OopsyStudent · 18/04/2018 17:26

Just want to say thank you again to everyone here. Seems like some parts we were worried about are absolutely normal and fine (which is reassuring) and others that we didn't know anything about are things to look into. We would not have known about this or thought to look for these things without your support and guidance. Thanks all :)

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bonbonlavie · 18/04/2018 18:11

The west end is really pricey.

I assume, living in the west end, that you're at Glasgow Uni. I would speak with them and see if you can be helped through the uni

JonSnowsCloak · 18/04/2018 19:01

Echoing everyone's comments about deposit protection scheme. When I was in second year of uni three of us moved into a student house, the place wasn't in the best state of repair and after about 6 months the other two moved out, I couldn't afford to move into another house share so two other students moved in. One day in the shower I thought that seems to be a bit too much steam, realised the shower was burning, nearly got electrocuted! The landlord had inherited the property but was in massive debt over the mortgage he had then took out on it, it took him 2 weeks to sort a plumber and I had to wait in constantly for that and other problems as he was living abroad in Europe. When I eventually moved out I found out my deposit wasn't in a protection scheme and I had to wait for the two new tenants to move in and pay it so I could then pay the deposit on the new place. He was an idiot and if it hadn't been for my mum n dad I would have been screwed. 6 months is usually minimum term but make sure your deposit comes to you from the deposit scheme rather than from any new tenants that move in/sublet etc.

nownownow · 18/04/2018 19:19

I notice the OP hasn't addressed the fact she opened someone else's mail Hmm