John Lennon

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Just watching a documentary about John Lennon and mark chapman.

Got me thinking - everyone seems to hate yoko but why?

She was perceived at the time to have been a reason the Beatles broke up. Their music took a different direction around the time that Lennon met her which is also a reason.

Never mind that he was an abusive shit, as if the hardcore fans care for that. I'm a Beatles fan but still find it hard to separate John's songs from how he behaved. Yoko is lovely.

Mostly racism and sexism, as far as I’ve ever been able to work out.

Wasn't it the whole 'she split up the band' thing? I think she did try to influence the band and push John in a different direction (if I remember correctly from a documentary I saw) and the rest of the band don't like her very much as she got in the way.

I don't think she was kind to Julian. Agree with condepetie, John was not a nice person, but he was the star so fans will blame the wife/girlfriend for the bad stuff.

The fans disliked Yoko because she caused the rift between John and Paul.

John insisted she was involved in every single thing the Beatles did after he started his affair with her.

She suddenly started appearing at their rehearsals and recording sessions, out of nowhere. Can you imagine?

She was perceived as splitting The Beatles up although I think they would most definitely have split up anyway, but both the public and John to an extent, used her a scapegoat. Lennon would insist that Yoko was present when they practising and recording music which didn't go down well with the others in the band.

I think you have to be of a certain age to really understand the effect that The Beatles had on that generation. My mum and dad would never hear a word against any of them, quite bizarrely.

Linda McCartney was never popular either. I think it was only when Heather Mills came along that everyone realised Linda wasn't all that bad.

Can you imagine?

Sounds like a fairly good title for a song

You might like this article - about the misogynistic interpretation of
Yoko hatred

imaginepeace.com/archives/5272

I remember watching Aladdin when I was little, and wondering why the monkey got angry at Jasmine. My dad explained that men often got cross when their friends wanted to spend time with their girlfriend instead of them! I always assumed the Yoko thing was similar.

There's also footage of Linda at rehearsals.

Racism has a huge amount to do with it. She didn't fit the mould for a suitable 'Beatle wife'. She wasn't the root cause of tensions between John and Paul at all, but her being there must have exacerbated them and given John the impetus to go against Paul more.

It’s remembering how big the Beatles were and how distraught there fans were. Whilst 1 direction were not in the same league it didn’t stop them blaming Perrie for Zayn leaving, it only really stopped because he finished the relationship not long after.

Thanks for the replies. Do you think Linda and yoko got on?

@HeddaGarbled John wasn't kind to Julian either, to be fair!

John insisted that she was at all the recording sessions - that's all her fault, and not John's, for some reason. She may or may not have wanted to be there. John got what he wanted with the women he married, whether they wanted it or not.

I got into the Beatles with Hard Day's Night a few years ago and was immediately attracted to young John, but knowing what he did and what he was like, I can't feel anything but sympathy for anyone involved with him in his later years. And when he was young too, tbh. Always a horrible violent man. Even some of his songs are repulsive. Run For Your Life, anyone?

Yoko was intelligent, interesting and creative, no wonder John was infatuated. She was avant garde and people didn't like it. Misogyny, racism etc.

Oh i didn’t see the documentary. Will watch it on catch up. What channel was it on

She is thought of very fondly in Liverpool. She has done a lot of good things for the city one of which was making sure his childhood home wasn't sold off to become a hotel. She didn't like the idea of his childhood bedroom becoming a honeymoon suite, which I think was very thoughtful of her.

I've not read it myself, but this has reminded me that when I was young, my friend's mum had a book called "Dakota days", written by john's guru about time spent with him and yoko after the Beatles, i.e. in the Dakota apartments where they lived in NYC. We weren't allowed to read it because it was quite graphic about abuse, apparently.

Whereas Lennon himself was lovely 🙄

listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/

Crime and investigation it was on

She was an escaped goat. Apparently

I should add that she bought his childhood home and donated it to the National Trust. It's now a hugely popular tourist destination.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5YIJ1pZEBc

I should add that she bought his childhood home and donated it to the National Trust

Given Yoko Ono was extremely wealthy in her own right (family money) even before she met Lennon that is about the equivalent of the rest of us buying a National Trust tea towel from one of their gift shops.

Her behaviour over Lennon's will and Julian seems to have been awful.

Do you think Linda and Yoko got on?

I wouldn't imagine they had much to do with each other. Linda McCartney had as much musical talent as Yoko Ono (precisely none) but McCartney only got Linda involved after The Beatles split up. You can hear Linda warbling tunelessly on Wings material.

Cynthia Lennon comes over with great dignity in interviews.


I like Yoko's music and admire her charity work. I think she comes across very well when she speaks publicly.

Cynthia Lennon sadly died in 2015. Both women have spoken about John's physical abuse while they were married to him.