Advertisers and boycotting

[Pratchet]

To pledge to support advertisers who stick with MN through all the bullying and silencing, and boycott any advertisers who pull out because they're being threatened about feminists being allowed to talk?

No idea what youre talking about but what sort of person doesnt have some kind of adblocker installed anyway- ive no idea who does or doesnt advertise on mn or any other site

I know what @Pratchet is talking about. The trouble is we don't know whether any of the current advertisers have put pressure on MNHQ to silence the trans debates, therefore sticking with the ones who are continuing to work with MN might actually be rewarding them for bullying.

Since when has Mumsnet been bullied or silenced?

Since when have its advertisers?

Who says people here are feminists (a vanishing minority in both sexes in the Western world)?

Since when have feminists not been allowed to talk?

Does your post make sense to you?

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Fuck. Was I tricked into commenting on an anti-trans thread?

Fuck. Was I tricked into commenting on an anti-trans thread?

Yup, it appears so.

• Since when has Mumsnet been bullied or silenced?

Since when have its advertisers?
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This comment piece in today's Times gives the context

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-activists-think-debate-is-hate-speech-hsh7vpmzt?shareToken=d58f88fb3cfe28a9b3c4b31ce55df125

Which itself refers to this news item:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-attacker-tara-wolf-is-a-thug-says-feminist-maria-maclachlan-pq0bwvthv?shareToken=82da905d223f61e87ed504097d5fa234

How is that related to Mumsnet or its advertisers?

You've simply found an article about a thug.

The specific section of the comment piece is:

Yet the simplified trans version cuts through because it plays to a company’s worst fears: being hounded on social media. Mumsnet is a rare forum where feminist anxiety about trans ideology is allowed to be aired. The website takes no position, it merely upholds free speech. However, activists are now threatening Mumsnet advertisers, telling them to stop “funding bigotry” or face a Twitter storm and possible boycott. They hope that, fearful of losing revenue, Mumsnet will delete and ban the debates.

"Mumsnet is a rare forum where feminist anxiety about trans ideology is allowed to be aired."

Seems to be a minority. The same posters say the same thing in decreasing numbers. That thread about keeping trans children out of guides had very few unique responders.

"The website takes no position"

The fact it allows anti-trans petitions (but no others) on AIBU where it'll get highest viewership suggests that MN isn't unbiased.

Boycotting and "twitter storms" seem to be a popular way of expressing opinion. Should those who don't like radical and exclusive ideology not be allowed to use this method of protest / democracy?

Southern - no anti-trans here! Pro-woman

Oh Southern everyone should be allowed. But I'll support the advertisers who support open debate and I will boycott those who done. Mumsnetters seem to wind up anti-woman activists no end, and it's not a crime to want to support the website that offers a place for them to talk.

Yeah right.

Last time it was advertisers pulling out because of all the swearing.

That was bollocks too.

I've not found a single long term genuine poster anywhere on MN who is completely 100% anti trans. What I have seen is anyone who questions the TRA version of what being trans is, being bullied and hounded. Meanwhile the vast majority of trans people are thoroughly embarrassed and upset by the behaviour and actions of a very vocal minority.

After several (many) years, I'm yet to find out what "pro woman" means.

I can't being myself to say I'm pro any group of people simply because it is surely the normal way to be.

Pro gay? Pro black? Pro disabled? It's all bullshit.

The opposite of racist isn't 'pro [race]'. The opposite of misandrist isn't 'pro man'.

What does 'pro woman' mean?

Pro-woman - someone who gets paid to be a woman

I hope you're joking but the last few years have made me doubt my sense of humour.

Very funny, assuming that was the intention

FFS. MNHQ have been quite clear that it's what has been posted by MNetters about trans issues/self ID on many, many occasions that is the problem.

But no, certain MNetters can't possibly take responsibility and it just has to be the TRAs/MRAs threatening MNHQ via advertisers.

God I'm bored by transactivists and handmaidens.

And you're just scintillating with your repeated threads about the same subject which never, ever say anything new.

You bored the fuck out of everyone and then suggest that they must be TRAs or handmaidens. No, just bored of the same old shit.

Have you seen EmpressOfJurisfiction's post, pratchet?

I'd really like to hear from MNHQ on this. I respect mumsnet and use it because it has been an important source of information and debate about the trans debate. To start pulling whole threads rather than just ones they deem to be not in the spirit of their guidelines is a contravention of free speech.

Pickle: no I haven't. Elsewhere or here?

MrsPerkins: I joined to talk about feminism.

Justine herself on the issue today in the Sunday Times.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=789401cf7275d540fb4c7620a86ca8cd

take responsibility for not wanting my child to change in a changing room with a boy, even if they identify as female. Yep that was me.

take responsibility for not wanting my teendaughter to change in topshop changing rooms if there is a chance that a man can walk in at any point, whether they claim to be female or not. Yep that was me too.

take responsibility for not wanting my dd to have to share sleeping accomodation with a boy who identifies as female at guides. Yep me too.

take responsibility for not wanting to share ahopsital ward with male bodied people and talking about it on the internet. Yep me again.

fine if you have a different opinion. we can discuss it here. There are not many other places one can discuss it without being abused.