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If you see it as your job to control the speed of traffic and you're not in a police car...

236 replies

BumpowderSneezeonAndSnot · 09/04/2018 17:23

...why do you do it? Why do you sit 300 car lengths behind the one in front in heavy traffic? Why do you go 10mph under the speed limit in the overtaking lane on a clear road? Why so you sit at 40mph regardless of the speed limit? Why do you pootle down the slip road towards an A or M road at 30mph?

Why do you see it as your job to control traffic?

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NoSquirrels · 12/04/2018 10:23

Nosquirrels I’m accusing you of victim blaming

Just because someone is driving slower than the speed limit doesn’t mean they are driving without due care and you can’t blame them for another motorists actions

@ivykaty44 I have never said they were the sole cause of the accident. I said they were a contributing factor. There are LOADS of web articles that say so. Police can prosecute under inconsiderate driving if they feel it is warranted.

I don't think 40 in a 60 on a rural-ish A-road is anything to be too bothered by myself, but I can see exactly how it can cause another driver with less patience or an over-confident attitude to take risks they should not. The impatient frustrated driver would be at fault - if they slammed into them from behind for tail-gating, if they over-took recklessly etc. But over-cautious driving can be unpredictable and can be a contributing cause to an accident, just as bad weather can be a contributing cause to an accident where a reckless driver took risks they should not have done.

There is a difference between sensible driving and over-cautious, nervous driving. It is the latter I am talking about.

ivykaty44 · 12/04/2018 10:28

You do realise that mobility scooters are legally allowed on a dual carriage way with a speed limit if 50mph

you are partial victim blaming but it’s still victim blaming

NoSquirrels · 12/04/2018 10:31

you are partial victim blaming but it’s still victim blaming
Okey dokey. I am not going to change your opinion of me, so I won't try.

ivykaty44 · 12/04/2018 11:23

Unfortunately you haven’t been able to show that driving slowly is dangerous.

Emmasmum2013 · 12/04/2018 12:06

@ivykaty44 Unfortunately you haven’t been able to show that driving slowly is dangerous.
There are loads of articles regarding the dangers of driving too slowly. Just google "is driving too slow dangerous". Or would you like me to cite some for you? How many?

And what's mobility scooters got to do with it? Are you saying that they're slow and yes still allowed on the roads? But they are small and easily passable - its not the same as a car and I think you know that.

I get going too fast is dangerous, and reckless behaviour like undertaking and overtaking on a single carriageway is dangerous. And I would never condone that behaviour at all...
But when there are no adverse weather conditions, the road is fine and straight, and the car is capable, there is literally no reason for a driver to be driving well under the speed limit. And any good driving instructor would tell you to keep up with the flow of the traffic.

ivykaty44 · 12/04/2018 12:34

Articles you mean an opinion?

A study showing driving slowly is dangerous, by all means show me a study that shows driving slowly is dangerous.

A mobility scooter would have to be overtaken and given as much room as another car, (therefore can not be easily passed as you put it) otherwise the motorist overtaking would be driving dangerously- not giving enough distance when passing is an offence in the HC. Same as overtaking a cyclist, you need to use the opposite lane and not try and squeeze passed, putting the cyclist in danger. Many police forces set up close pass operations in the same way as speed checks. Police on bike with camera, they then pull over driver that doesn’t give enough space to the vulnerable road user.

reddington · 12/04/2018 12:36

overtaking on a single carriageway is dangerous.

Let’s just get this straight, overtaking on a single carriageway within the law is not “reckless behaviour”. You will sometimes get an individual going crazy after you have overtaken them perfectly safely and legally, flashing of lights, shouting, gesticulating etc. These people are utter morons and should not be on the road. I should love to actually have one explain what their issue is but I suspect one could tie them up with their own stupidity. My own theory is that it ties in with seemingly large number of people who think the NSL sign means 40mph and that as they bimble along at 38mph think you must be some kind of hardcore speeder passing them at more than 20mph faster than they’re travelling. Thankfully these people are seldom encountered although I have heard of people saying they have it happen a lot and therefore question their overtaking etiquette, if you’re pissing a lot of people off then maybe it’s you.

ivykaty44 · 12/04/2018 12:38

trafficwmp.wordpress.com/ Police blog on close pass,

Not all traffic on roads is motorised and some traffic will travel slower than 20mph

meddie · 12/04/2018 12:58

People going 30mph down a slip road to join a motorway. I was even behind one bellend who came to a total stop at the end, like it was a give way sign. I was stuck there for ages then because my car is only a 1 litre engine and its not great at getting to 60 in a short period.

Emmasmum2013 · 12/04/2018 13:25

Mobility scooters are not the same as a car. You can see past a mobility scooter a lot easier than a car. So passing them safely is a lot easier, and can be done quicker than a car because they are smaller.

Here is one study I found to do with the Solomon Curve
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_curve

You can see from the distribution that accidents occur less when most of the cars on the road travel at around the same speed - so go with the flow of the traffic is the conclusion.

Pengggwn · 12/04/2018 13:39

Just because someone acts inappropriately out of frustration, doesn't mean the other person is responsible for the consequences of their action. Even partially. Their frustration is their own responsibility and they need to own their actions. Learn to deal with frustration without doing dangerous shit.

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