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To think there is no real alternatives to plastic right now?

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speakout · 31/03/2018 07:42

Like many I have been horrified by the videos of plastic floating in our oceans. I have been thinking about my own plastic use. I recycle ( council waste collection) as much as I can, but over the past week or two I have been looking at ways of cutting consumption.
There seems no real alternative to lots of stuff.
Shampoo? I see bars of solid soap like stuff in the health food shop- are they any good? Shower gel- OK I can buy soap wrapped in paper, but wash up liquid? Toothbrushes ( I have seen boar hair alternatives, not sure I fancy that) cosmetics? Detergent? Even loo roll is wrapped in plastic. Seems an uphill struggle- ant ideas?

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stargirl1701 · 31/03/2018 09:09

Ultimately, everyone has a this far and no further point. I cannot see us doing family cloth. I did cloth nappies but this is step too far for us.

http://www.cheekywipes.com/toilet-paper-alternative-family-cloth/tp_alt.html

CertainlyChoco · 31/03/2018 09:11

The amount of plastics used in this country and other European countries is incredibly small compared to the rest of the world. There is little to no awareness at all in for example Asia where they use it very extensively and dispose them into the river, not recycling them at all. Unless countries like China, India, and other Asian countries do something about it majorly, this world is fucked anyway.

PintOfCalpol · 31/03/2018 09:13

Not buying netted fish helps. A huge amount of the ocean plastic waste is discarded fishing nets. Not supporting that industry is key.

dementedma · 31/03/2018 09:20

choco makes a good point about awareness in other countries being needed, but we all still need to do our bit and keep the message at the forefront of everything. Like many we are trying to cut down our plastic. We have switched to shampoo bars and to avoid them sticking to the side of the bath, they sit on the upturned tops from shaving foam cans. Next step is to buy shaving soap! We also bought a soda stream with re-usable bottles which has cut down massively on our plastic bottle recycling. I actively try and avoid unecessary plastic when shopping - Aldi are bad for having their veg all in plastic - and we use electric toothbrushes which we have had for years. I also refuse straws in drinks when out and ask the hotel or cafe to stop using them. oh, and have switched to buying ketchup and mayonnaise in glass jars, not squeezy bottles.

runningdoll · 31/03/2018 09:21

If we've had a good month money wise I shop at our local farm shop and butchers, then I bring very little plastic home, I could also take (plastic) boxs from home to the butchers for the meat. I shop there when I can but the cost is too high to do that all month.

I had read that plastic dropped in the street ends up being washed into storm drains and that is how it's washed out to sea.

AnnaMagnani · 31/03/2018 09:21

Lush is not the only option for solid shampoo bars. I also wouldn't buy from Lush.

There are lots of sellers on Etsy or just have a google. Turned out there was a business making palm-oil free soap and shampoo bars in a neighbouring village to me - all sent in plastic-free packaging. I had no idea.

There are loads of businesses about like this.

zzzzz · 31/03/2018 09:22

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ReinettePompadour · 31/03/2018 09:34

Theres a chemist local to me that still sells individual loo rolls wrapped in paper. You can still get it. They also sell shampoo in a bamboo bottle which is biodegradable. Its expensive but thats because few people buy it at the moment.

I have recently swapped back to bars of soap and my butcher wraps in waxed paper and will put straight into your bag. The same at the greengrocers.

Washing powder is best for packaging as its packaging is cardboard.

Milk I can buy in glass bottles nearby but its not close enough for every day (15 miles). I would like to see a milkman deliver glass bottled milk.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 31/03/2018 09:37

I work in this area (packaging and waste reduction at a supermarket) and I can assure you that we ARE looking at the issues of plastic and packaging - as both an industry and individual retailers - and have been for some time. But there are a couple of fundamental issues that people keep missing and spurious science touted by the likes of Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth.

Firstly, packaging - and plastic packaging - protects the food you buy. Plastic is generally light, thin and inert. It doesn't allow transfer of contaminants to food (which pulp-based packaging can). But most importantly, it reduces food waste in store and in customers' homes. The plastic shrink wrap on your cucumber makes it last five times longer than without. It is 100 TIMES more environmentally damaging to throw away a lettuce than the plastic wrap around it. Think about the water, fertilisers and pesticides used to grow it, the harvesting and pollution transporting from farm to packing to store. If you are interested, visit the Love Food Hate Waste website: www.lovefoodhatewaste.org.

Secondly, the vast majority of ocean plastics (about 75%) come from China. And the rest from India and the Americas. That's not to say the UK shouldn't be doing its bit - of course we should - but eliminating plastics in the UK won't make a dent on the plastics in our oceans. Which is why when Greenpeace launched their campaign to introduce bottle return schemes in the UK as a way to stop plastics in our oceans, it was nonsense - but another nice way for them to beat up the supermarkets.

Interestingly, this week the Government announced England will be introducing a DRS scheme for plastic bottles, glass bottles and aluminium/steel cans (It's already underway in Scotland). It was widely reported that the supermarkets were against that. Not exactly. What we were saying was that the government needs to stop trying to attack single-issue packaging problems and create a system in the UK that works. We have an existing recycling system - local council household collections - and bottles and cans can go in that. But too many consumers still put them in general waste. Now we are going to spend billions on introducing a new scheme rather than making the one we already have work. Local authorities need the revenue from those valuable plastics to make operating kerbside recycling economical.

The recycling infrastructure in the UK is woefully underfunded and underresourced. All plastic packaging is, in theory, recyclable. But we need facilities in the UK, at scale, that can do that. We need local authorities that can pick up, sort and recycle all those plastics - at the moment there is no consistency across the UK to do that. UK retailers already get taxed for the packaging we place on the market each year. Make that work better. Tax us more for unrecyclable packaging and less for recyclable packaging.

Finally, and importantly, at the moment there aren't alternatives with the unique properties of plastic available at scale. There are companies and retailers developing those but it will take time. And compostable packaging is controversial. It can contaminate other waste streams and releases huge amounts of damaging gases as it decomposes. Harvesting and recycling of paper and card is hugely water, energy and chemical intensive. Ironically, far more so than plastic.

So, it's NOT the simple issue it's made out to be. And eliminating plastic won't necessarily be more environmentally beneficial that using it. It's hugely complicated. And it's the Government you should be writing too - not the supermarkets. We're on it.

Thechatnicknameyourequested · 31/03/2018 09:40

noplasticshop.co.uk/products/solid-hair-conditioner-for-normal-hair-95g

Solid conditioner bars (available for dry, normal, or oily hair). Haven’t tried them but planning to when current bottle runs out.

AddictiveCereal · 31/03/2018 09:41

OP - this podcast from the BBC is worth listening to itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/youre-doing-it-wrong/id1353529529?mt=2&i=407034049

It kind of shows that all our tiny efforts to reduce using things on an individual level are pretty much futile.

MissTeri · 31/03/2018 09:49

Very interesting thread! Bookmarking for the suggesions!

We do our bit by making sure we recycle everything that can be recycled and reusing plastics where possible but we definitely need to make more effort in not buying plastic in the first place. We live near the beach and my son and I will often go out litter picking (mostly just plastic) on a weekend, it's disgusting how much we find in such a short time. The main cause of rubbish down one long path we go to litter pick is drinks packaging - the amount of empty plastic bottles and takeaway coffee cups we find is mindblowing!!

For anyone who uses the washable sanitary pads - how absorbent are they? My periods are very heavy and so I've been wary of trying them out up until now.

ItsMsAtomicBombToYou · 31/03/2018 09:58

I use washable pads. They're more absorbent than regular ones, my sister gets very heavy periods and was surprised.

You have to get the right size but they're also more comfortable than disposable ones.

ReinettePompadour · 31/03/2018 10:05

Plastic is generally light, thin and inert. It doesn't allow transfer of contaminants to food. But most importantly, it reduces food waste in store and in customers' homes

No it doesn't reduce food waste, in increases it. If you only eat 3 apples a week but you buy a pack of 4 wrapped in all sorts of plastics then you are likely to throw the extra away.

If you buy bags of potatoes wrapped in plastic they go rotten very quickly because they sweat in plastic bags so you throw half away. I used to buy potatoes in a paper bag that didnt go rotten but my supermarket stopped selling them.

If you buy packs of ham in plastic trays and wrapping but didnt need the whole amount, you throw it away.

Supermarkets make it easy to buy too much and then it gets thrown away. Its believed to be around 30% of food is thrown away in the uk because its purchased in bulk unnecessarily from supermarkets who make it appear cheaper and more convenient to buy pre- packed and the waste is then thrown away.

Supermarkets need to look at greengrocers (no plastic packaging at mine) and butchers (mine uses waxed paper for packaging). Obviously the population needs to look at their own habits too but if supermarkets stopped packaging the life out of our veg and fruit then it would go a long way towards helping.

ReinettePompadour · 31/03/2018 10:08

Oh and I forgot @StepAwayFromGoogle cucumbers are revolting, no one needs 1 packaged in plastic so it can last 5x longer. Most people just eat them within a few days of purchasing. They dont eat the same cucumber 4 weeks later Hmm

picklemepopcorn · 31/03/2018 10:12

Bamboo tooth brushes are great.
Avoid plastic bottled drinks.
Soap and shampoo bars are great, good value, and available online if your usual shop doesn't have any.
Greaseproof paper instead of clingfilm or sandwich bags. It's actually much nicer.

I've not avoided washing up liquid yet. Meat packaging and food packaging in general is my hardest area.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 31/03/2018 10:18

That's actually nonsense. You might all be good at eating everything you buy but 50% of the food we produce is never eaten, and the majority of that is thrown away in people's homes so it's a HUGE issue.

zzzzz · 31/03/2018 10:20

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thedevilinablackdress · 31/03/2018 10:30

I have a (non electric) toothbrush with replaceable heads. Not sure why this isn't more common. Still plastic but less of it.

It seems obvious that it's not a black and white issue...some plastic is good and useful but we need to get a lot more clever about when and how we use it.

throwcushions · 31/03/2018 10:32

But quantity in supermarkets can be ridiculous. I can't buy less than 2.5kg of he type of potatoes I need because they and any similar varieties are not sold loose. We never need that much. The supermarkets are definitely not innocent. They have an incentive to make consumers buy in large quantities.

GrouchyKiwi · 31/03/2018 10:36

StepAway's point about recycling centres not being able to deal with everything is important. In our council area they won't take plastic bag packaging, just the hard stuff, food & drink cartons, or foil.

I hate plastic bags for potatoes. In NZ they use paper bags or cardboard boxes. The potatoes last 10 times longer - we rarely had potatoes sprouting before we could eat them and my parents always buy 10kg bags. Here my potatoes sprout about a week after we buy them.

Hypermice · 31/03/2018 10:47

One thing I have seen that does work is in Switzerland- you pay for bin bags and they’re not cheap. They will only pick up rubbish in those special bags.

And the supermarkets have a table to unwrap things in, so everyone unwrapped and placed back at the supermarket. The supermarket then has the economic burden of disposing of the waste. And lo... they sell stuff in less packaging. No idea if that’s all over CH or just that one town

MidniteScribbler · 31/03/2018 10:54

I have a holiday house (will move permanently in a few years) on a small island where everything has to be bought in by ship, and there is no bin collections, you have to take already sorted rubbish to the waste centre yourself. Anything that can't be incinerated (either at home or by the waste centre) has to be shipped off the island and there is a pretty hefty cost for dropping it off. When there are no other cheap options, being as plastic free as possible is simply the norm. You take reusable bags to get your groceries, take containers to the butcher to buy your meat, and even take containers to the local takeaways to pick up your food. It's just a way of life, and no one misses the plastic that can be avoided.

Fruitcocktail6 · 31/03/2018 11:02

Lots of good ideas on this thread, I'll be doing some shopping today!

What's wrong with lush btw?

Quincelet · 31/03/2018 11:30

I just found this website when looking for toothpaste in tins myplasticfreelife.com/2011/08/searching-for-the-perfect-all-natural-plastic-free-toothpaste-or-powder-or-soap-or/

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