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Reparations paid to SLAVE OWNERS only stopped being paid by UK Government 2 years ago

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 30/03/2018 12:56

IANBU to think it's a fucking scandal that

"You might expect this so-called “slave compensation” to have gone to the freed slaves to redress the injustices they suffered. Instead, the money went exclusively to the owners of slaves, who were being compensated for the loss of what had, until then, been considered their property. Not a single shilling of reparation, nor a single word of apology, has ever been granted by the British state to the people it enslaved, or their descendants.

Today, 1835 feels so long ago; so far away. But if you are a British taxpayer, what happened in that quiet room affects you directly.

Your taxes were used to pay off the loan, and the payments only ended in 2015

The benefits of slave-owner compensation were passed down from generation to generation of Britain’s elite. Among the descendants of the recipients of slave-owner compensation is the former prime minister David Cameron.

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/29/slavery-abolition-compensation-when-will-britain-face-up-to-its-crimes-against-humanity

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/03/2018 20:57

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OP nobody is saying history is useless. Rather that you need to look at the wider context. The decision was made at a time when it was considered reasonable to have children working in coal mines, heavy industry, on warships etc.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/03/2018 21:02

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Then we should address the present day problems. We can’t change the past but we can learn from it.

Camiila · 30/03/2018 22:46

I think they did a study and people with 'Norman' surnames (from 1066) are still on average significantly richer than those with Anglo-Saxon names, so 200 years is relatively recent in that sense.

you do understand, I am sure, that every Brit is descended from every Norman, and every Anglo-saxon, don't you?

Again, the Normans and the Anglo Saxons are now EXACTLY THE SAME PEOPLE

as are the descendants of slaves, and the descendants of slave owners

CuboidalSlipshoddy · 30/03/2018 23:25

To comment about the utter skullduggery of it is to be a SJW?

To virtue signal your moral superiority is to be an SJW.

What would you have done? It's 1835. Slavery is a moral scar. You want to see it ended, quickly and bloodlessly. Your move. Tell us what the government of the time should have done instead.

Consider, before you do so, that the American Civil War is the outcome of the "they shouldn't be compensated" line. Do you think that was a better outcome?

sleepyjane · 31/03/2018 00:04

I can't believe there's no moral outrage over this. Its such a huge travesty and and such an obvious indication as to how the world has always been run. I'm shocked at the complacency tbh.

Andrewofgg · 31/03/2018 00:34

coconutella The British Empire was the British Empire and many of those running it and profiting from it were Welsh, Scottish or Irish - of both traditions. And if the U.K. were to start paying indemnities many of those paying would be the offspring of the colonised or the offspring of later generations of immigrants whose forebears had no connection with the Empire at either end of the deal.

coconuttella · 31/03/2018 00:41

I can't believe there's no moral outrage over this. Its such a huge travesty and and such an obvious indication as to how the world has always been run. I'm shocked at the complacency tbh.

I’m not sure what you’re expecting, demonstrations in the streets? Yes, this payoff as was appalling, but the slave trade itself was far worse. The appalling truth is there have been countless incidents since 1835 that were more repugnant than this.

I’d be far more concerned with complacency towards slavery today in the U.K.!

coconuttella · 31/03/2018 00:44

Andrewofgg

I agree 100%. My point wasn’t serious but more to illustrate the lunacy of seeking reparations many, many generations after the events occurred.

MexicanBob · 31/03/2018 01:43

All of this happily ignores two very important facts. First, the "West India Lobby" (i.e. the slaveholders) had a massive voice in Parliament in the 1830s. If they were not paid compensation, no way would they have voted to abolish slavery. Second, the payments that ended two years ago were, if I follow the article, repayments on a loan taken out by the British Govt. The fact that they used the money to compensate slaveholders does not mean that payments to slaveholders ended two years ago.

What really gets me is the way this is being presented as a "shock horror" story that's just come to light. I learnt about this in history at school in the 1970s. I guess 19th century British history isn't taught anymore.

OrlandaFuriosa · 31/03/2018 01:45

Put simply your argument sounds shocking, but it isn’t simple. Skavery itself is simply shocking, but the methods of getting rid of it are not simple and I think the Guardian’s article lets the paper down.

If one looks under, for example, Anderson or Blair, two Scots names, you will find some owners of huge numbers where the combined totals come to high hundreds but also owners of say one or two, often but not exclusively women. What is one saying about them? Or the people whose money - not necessarily wealth - indirectly came from the system?

What is one saying about people whose wealth was based on, say, indentured labour in the Far East?

And the system of Government gilts, the 3%rs, were as described, non hypothecated, used for much more than just this issue. It’s a very clear description above. It’s only because interest rates have been unhistorically low that it's been worth paying off gilts.

Like others, I prefer a financial solution to one of bloodshed. And it took long enough as it was, even with compensation. Trying to get the Govt to agree to go to war with its nationals so far away when so many people up and down the land of the United Kingdom, rich and poorer, were invested either directly or indirectly, would have been on a hiding to nothing,

It sounds as though it’s ok to dislike inherited wealth unless it can be proven to be clean money. In which case it’s good that we do now have ethically based funds. But that’s a whole other issue that needs disentangling.

But - and here I am speculating- it also sounds possible to me that the Guardian writer has in the back of the mind the fact that Haiti only paid off its payment for freedom to France relatively recently, in 1947, despite having revolted successfully. To me that’s a very different issue.

Feodora · 31/03/2018 03:04

every single person on the planet is descended from slaves, and every single person on the planet is descended from slave owners

@Camilla, know you are right, but please can you break it down for me as my head can’t get round it

Feodora · 31/03/2018 03:07

Sorry should be @Camiila

PandaPieForTea · 02/04/2018 17:39

*you do understand, I am sure, that every Brit is descended from every Norman, and every Anglo-saxon, don't you?

Again, the Normans and the Anglo Saxons are now EXACTLY THE SAME PEOPLE*

I thiink you may be missing the point that names and wealth have followed a patrilineal descent. So if you’ve got a Norman name then you’ve got more chance of having a share of wealth passed down from Norman ancestors. Obviously this will only be significant at a population level.

We are also not all equally descended from different groups. It is likely that those who identify as the descendants of slaves will be descended from slave-owners too, the % of their antecedents who were slave-owners is likely to be lower than for those who identify as the descendants of slave-owners.

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