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hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 04:48

Sorry I'm going to have to be sparse on some details as the lady this post about is on here, I don't want to out myself.

There's a family I know. They come accross as a little strange with their relationship dynamic as it is, in the past I've defended them, saying well, she's unwell and he is ver protective. He has taken n her children from a devious relationship, once past their initial awkwardness they come accross until recently as a lovely family, I've been closer t him than I have her, but recently I've become quite concerned.

Over the past few months there have been red flags, like him having an ongoing feud with her father, her father wants t visit her, he keeps putting the father off until he is at home. Her father wants to see her and feels he is controlling things. He gets aggressive in his responses.
They have just had a baby who is 7 weeks old, his first DD but her 3rd. During the pregnancy MW were certain there was DV- she was seen most weeks by MWs- they were really keeping an eye on them- something we joked about because at this time he appeared to just be a doting partner.....though many people who know them say he comes accross as controlling.

So come to the end of her pregnancy, he becomes quite offensive about her. She's apparently pathetic and he's sick of it all. He's prepared to leave.

Their lovely DD is born, and there were complications, quite severe will mean that they will need support, or atleast she will. At this point I can't give details, but think unable to move a limb. His response was "she just needs to fucking pull it together" within a week of their DD being born he told my husband he was leaving. She has PND and he can't deal with it. She can't cope, they shouldn't have had the baby anyway. ......he ended up not leaving. No one wants to have him move in with them.

It's now becoming a daily occurrence of him saying she's a rubbish mum, she's not any kind of partner, he tells everyone that will listen that she is not doing well. But when you see her and any of the kids they're all doing amazingly well. The kids are impeccably turned out, she looks like a knackered mum to 3 kids-youngest is 6wks old.
She mentioned that he's telling everyone how bad she's doing, and she just said, our lives have been turned upside down by little one, it's just a scrabble for the first few months and he doesn't understand that,
She genuinely seems to be doing really well.

The things he's saying seem to be getting worse, like he was talking about being sat the end of his tether how he's going to move onto a mates couch. I was saying try couples counselling, please just give it a go before you break the family up. His reply was, no because I'll fucking rip her to pieces. I will win that one. - which seemed like a pretty nasty thing to say about the woman who has just had your child.

He also told me that he intends on going to live 100 miles away, because she will keep his kid from him anyway, I said but the older ones? You've bonded with them, sure they'll have a say. His reply, they're not my kids. I don't really give a shit. He followed up with his plan of leaving a few days before he gets his wages, so she gets nothing. FWIW he pays all bills so if he does this she's stone broke.

I feel really awful for her, I can't even sleep knowing that she's in this position and that he is being such a nasty fucker to her- bearing in mind I have been more friendly with him than I have her. I am shocked at this situation.

What can I do... It's not like I can she he's planning on leaving so do X y z . I can't say what he's told me or DH. We have spoken about him telling people she's not coping- I agreed with her and pretty much said she was doing great and he was being a bit of a plonker and most parents would know what the situation was really like, or would when they saw her or the kids.

Is it stupid to be worried about her from what I've said.... I can be a bit naive at times, id like to lend some support to her. I'm honestly awake worrying.

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hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 04:57

Flipping heck my typos- sat at th end of tether *at,
6 weeks in one part is because we had this conversation last week- she was a mum to a 6 week old.

At the t that appears a few times should've been at but I don't know what happened. Maybe I didn't press a hard enough

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Elllicam · 29/03/2018 05:04

What an evil dick of a man. Personally I would quietly say to her that he’s planning on leaving and moving away. I’d have no loyalty to him at all.

hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 05:11

Ellison-thank you. It's not loyalty for me, I'd happily burn that bridge to do the right thing. I'm just so concerned that if I open my mouth it means there's no choice for her but to address it, and maybe he won't leave and it can be all right until she says actually, you can sling your hook. I've had enough... I'm just worried I will make the situation worse instead of better.

He is seemingly quite ruthless, which is scary cmsideri get the very soft act he puts on.

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ohamIreally · 29/03/2018 05:11

Agree with elliecam I think you should warn her. Sounds like she'd be better off without him don't you think?

hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 05:11

Ellicam- I did spell your name properly but it was kindly autocorrected for me!

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hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 05:15

Ohamireally- I definitely think she's better off without him 100% I'm just worried that it would feel like I was forcing her hand. It seems so cruel. It shouldn't be a worry. She should be able to enjoy her new baby without this rubbish, but then if he does do a disappearing act with the money the family relies on to survive. Oh I have to don't I?

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colditz · 29/03/2018 05:27

Fuck it, tell her. SHe's better off informed and she seems to know the deal with the worthless cunt anyway. If he's that nasty about her, he won't be nice to her, and it's unlikely that he's nice to the "fuck it, they're not my kids" either Angry

Henrysmycat · 29/03/2018 06:11

I’d test the water first. He sounds like a bragging knobhead to feel more manly. “I’m me and hard and she’s terrible. What am I doing with her?” Kind of asshole. The ones that stay put and just talks and talks and turns abusive but never leaves unless another victim shows up. She might tell him and they both turn against you.

Ask her how she feels about the relationship, if she has back up plans if things go tits up. You never know how deep his twattery is and how trapped she is.

hidinginthenightgarden · 29/03/2018 06:34

I would chat to her about being concerned by the things he says about her. Tell her that you are now feeling that her father and the MW may have had a point and ask how she feels about it. If she says she isn't happy, but doesn't know how to leave him/financially stuck then maybe you can support her to get her financial affairs in order, so that she will have some money in the pipeline ready for either him leaving, or her kicking him out. I wouldn't be able to sit there and not say anything.

Catspaws · 29/03/2018 06:54

I don't know why you'd advocate couples counselling if he's abusive and there's DV - she would be much better off without him in that case. All you can do is challenge him when he says those things and support her in any way you can.

PlumsGalore · 29/03/2018 07:13

I agree with the above. Why are you encouraging counselling and maintaining a bond with his children and keeping the family together when he clearly is abusive and doesn't give a fuck.

I would be encouring and supporting her to go it alone.

JackietheBackie · 29/03/2018 07:18

i doubt his knobbish behaviour will come as a surprise to her. Maybe see if you can start getting a few bits and pieces to help her out if she is financially stuck, talk to her HV to see what support is available.

100 miles away doesn’t sound far enough. You could give him a lift to the station, make sure he gets in the train.

RickOShay · 29/03/2018 07:48

Hippo I think you need to at least hint to her about what he’s saying.
Also talk to her about what’s happening with her Dad. Keep telling her how well she is doing, and if you are in a position to offer practical help that would help.
You sound like a lovely pal. Keep close to her. Flowers

LoveProsecco · 29/03/2018 07:49

Sounds like she would be better and safer away from him. I would warn her and suggest she contact WA and other support organisations to help. Both for practical help and the freedom programme etc

HouseOfGingerbread · 29/03/2018 07:58

Let her know. She'll definitely do better without him but it might help her to have time to prepare. One thing she could usefully do is find an old pay slip of his and note the NI number. It will make it easier for CMS to find him.

hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 10:15

Morning everyone!

To those who asked why am I advocating counselling, I advocated it at the point he sounded more like a partner that was just fed up, and as stupid as it is, I hadn't connected the dots. Late to the realization that I was it was his reaction to counselling that really made me think, wow this isn't right. Really not in keeping with his usual reactions. It niggled and I came home and thought about it. There have been other signs something may be going on and I'm ashamed to say I just thought that he was overreacting a bit as he tends to do. He lived at home until he was 31 or so. He had virtually no bills as he lived with his mum, his life was very easy I'm comparison to now living with a partner, 3 kids and a baby. And to be honest, I felt like if they went to couples counselling that an actual counsellor would point out that he's being unfair in his beliefs, and maybe there's a possibility that things could have been ok.

I just want to say, there's no proof of DV anywhere, it's just a suspicion held by MWs.

He has said he's been making the threats to leave to her too, so won't be a surprise to her I'm sure.

I'll see if she wants to grab a coffee. Shes quite open to the idea usually so maybe we can have a chat.

Also, the PP who said WA.

And the PP who mentioned the payslip for NINO thank you so much. This is information that I will pass on. It will be monumentally helpful.

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Aprilmightmemynewname · 29/03/2018 10:20

You being around for her will make a mammoth difference. When I was stuck in an awful marriage I would have danced on hot coals for a friend like you.

Ginorchoc · 29/03/2018 10:29

Next time he says he wants to leave, encourage him to go.

Aridane · 29/03/2018 10:33

I'm not sure I would be posting this given the woman you're posting about is on mumsnet and the accumulation of detail you've given is quite specific

hungryhippo90 · 29/03/2018 10:44

Aridane- few details have been changed, that I hoped would have hidden it a bit.

But as it is, I think she saw this post anyway. We had a chat about the situation they're in.
Turns out that nothing I've been told hasn't been said to her face. We're going to grab lunch later on, it seems that she was going to start the process of getting him out, but she says it's worse now she knows what he's been saying to their friends about their relationship- she says she's embarrassed by this. I'm relieved to know that she feels strong enough to fight back. I was worried that she would accept whatever he's been saying with a view that it is just what it is.

Thank you all.

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RowleyBirkin · 29/03/2018 14:15

A dad here.... He sounds like a jerk. Some new dads are weirdly jealous of the baby once it arrives. They expect to be the most important person in their partners lives but then suddenly they're not and they can't handle it - some kind of insecurity/unresolved childhood angst/Oedipal thing going on. Either that or they didn't realise just how intense and demanding parenting a new baby is and they want out. Or both. As a new dad you're very much relegated to second fiddle: everything is about the mother and the baby and your job is to get things, make tea and toast anytime day or night, continually pop up the shops to buy nappies etc. If you're not an emotionally mature adult it can come as a shock.
I felt something vaguely like it once. We had a daughter first, then a son, and in character my daughter is like me but my son more like my wife. My daughter adored me, but my son even as a baby saw me as a rival and didn't like me at all! :-D He wanted his mum all for his very own and would do those toddler things like pushing me away if I was hugging her. Eventually when he was three I set about a charm offensive and took over bedtime and read lots of stories, and eventually, grudgingly, he conceded that I was tolerable after all. But I do remember throughout a kind of primitive subconscious mental narrative in the back of my head suggesting things like 'Sneaky little git, who does he think he is? Look at him, up to his tricks, twisting her round his little finger...' etc etc.

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