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To expect a nursing home to have at least, the very basic items necessary to prevent cross infection?????

17 replies

tiredemma · 09/05/2007 14:19

Have recently started working nights in a care home for the elderly with dementia. All but just 3 residents out of 30 are both bladder and bowel incontinent.

Is it too much of me therefore, to expect at the very least, gloves and aprons to protect during personal hygiene. Most of the residents have diarrhoea and we had just a few pairs of gloves all night to clean.
When I expressed concern about the lack of gloves- the sister told me to wash the gloves I had just used and put a bit of alcohol spray on them before I move onto the next resident.

thats not right surely??? especially so when most of them have clearly got some kind of tummy bug.

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nailpolish · 09/05/2007 14:21

omg Emma that is horrific
is this a placement? (sorry, ive lost track )
if so you should complain loudly when yo u finish it

MrsWho · 09/05/2007 14:22

awful, You should make a major complaint

tiredemma · 09/05/2007 14:26

No- Its a job- ( I do one night shift a week) I was horrified at it, not only for the residents but also for myself- I dont want to bring this bug home to my kids.

I told the sister that I thought it was wrong, its not sending out the right message- I have been taught at uni that infection control is PARAMOUNT.

I spoke to the care leader before I left this morning and she just said "yeah- we should get a delivery this week"- !!

Im disillusioned with the whole place tbh. I have never worked so hard in all my life, I literally crawled into bed this morning- all for £5.35 an hour- no extra allowance for night work, nothing.
Whole place makes me feel fucking depressed, not because of the work- just the way that the residents are expected to live.

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nailpolish · 09/05/2007 14:28

emma - it sounds like quite a lot of nursing homes im afraid. and hospital wards, especially care of the elderly ive worked in quite a few in my time

is it private or nhs?

nailpolish · 09/05/2007 14:30

if private - you could make a complaint to the owner (if privately owned by an idividual) or the headquarters (if bupa etc - i think you said bupa?)
even threaten to go to the local paper. im not joking. the residents family would have them out in a flash and they would lose money

Lilymaid · 09/05/2007 14:33

You can also make a complaint to the Commission for Social Care Inspection which does annual(ish) inspections of all care homes.

lucyellensmum · 09/05/2007 15:11

it sounds par for the course if you ask me, my father had dementia and had to be "looked after" in a care home. I use the quote marks because you could hardly call it that, i wouldnt have treated a dog the way those people were treated. We went to social services (the term chocolate teapot springs to mind), we complained to the management (worse than a joke - in it for the money!) and appealed to our MP (sympathetic but same teapot factory as social services - who were actually worse than useless). When we looked into an alternative home they had to visit my father in order to assess if he were suitable for their place, he wasnt on account of it being an upstairs room). As a result of this, we were given 30 days to find an alternative home before my father was EVICTED, we clearly caused too much disruption, i mean, fancy insisting that my father had more than a fucking sandwich for dinner and he actually had jam sandwhiches for xmas day tea because the place was left being run by school leavers more or less. We eventually found alternate accom for my dad but it meant my mother could only visit at weekends when we could take her as it was three bus journeys away, she is 73. My father died two months later - so thanks for that social services, thanks for nothing. Sorry, needed to get that out!

We did complain to the commision for social care, who did find the place wanting in certain areas and made "recommendations". Mine would have been to burn the place down and send the bloody idiots who worked there back to school to learn some compassion.

I have to say, the last home he stayed in was lovely and the people were wonderful, mostly qualified nurses over from india, really caring. The first place was staffed with people who were there probably because if they wasn't their jobseekers benifits would be stopped, i wouldnt have employed them to shine brass knobs.

paulaplumpbottom · 09/05/2007 15:12

Thats ridiculous!!!!!! Gloves aren't that expensive.

nailpolish · 09/05/2007 15:13

oh lucyellen that is awful
so for your mum

Ripeberry · 09/05/2007 16:26

Hi,That is ridiculous! re-use gloves? what skinflints.
I'm just starting out as a home carer and the company i work for has given me a big box of gloves and loads of aprons and just said if you need any more don't hesitate to ask.
The care home you work for must be breaking some kind of rule and should be reported.
What if someone died because of their hygene lapses?
Suppose they would just blame the workers.
For my own safety i would go and buy my own gloves for now.
AB

fannyannie · 09/05/2007 16:27

that is shocking - if CSCI got wind of that they wouldn't be happy at all

helenhismadwife · 10/05/2007 10:37

that is disgusting and very depressing I wouldnt know who you could complain to

Lucyellen so sorry to hear about your dad

Furrymummy · 10/05/2007 12:38

FFS a box of latex gloves costs £2! no, YANBU!!!! Deffo complain.

Snaggle1 · 18/05/2011 17:41

This is a looong posting, but all this is horribly familar reading and there's so much that's needs saying. The care home I have worked at is mainly for elderly people who are terminally ill and/or with dementia. I've done residential care work before, in learning disabilities, and, sorry to say it, but I'm amazed just what a backward time-warp elderly care is by comparison. The field of learning disabilites is streets ahead in terms of Person-Centred Planning and advocacy. I'm also amazed just how ineffectual the Care Quality Commission is in dealing with care homes that are basically sub-standard, abusive environments. 'The Independant' newspaper's Johan Hari wrote some great articles on this subject some months ago, concluding that the CQC is a 'toothless paper tiger'. He's dead right. It won't get better either, as the inspection bodies are being merged into even bigger, clumsier, cheaper to run organisations. I have met some wonderful CQC officers, but their hands are tied by higher forces in government.

Yes, the CQC does shut some homes down, but not until things have gone DISASTEROUSLY wrong. The problem is that is that the biggest private care companies have such a monopoly on 'the market' that they have made themselves almost indespensable, and David Cameron's new 'light touch' regulation is designed to protect the care company fatcats even more. For all the lip-service they're trying to throw at us, the bitter truth is that they don't really want elderly care to have intelligent, well-trained, well-qualified staff because that would just COST MORE! And who wants to invest in a dying population? I am sad but certain that this is the paradigm of thinking in the corridors of power and anyone who tries to change it, from the inside or outside, will be given a very rough time! I know many dedicated care workers and managers who have tried so hard to make things progress, and these are the ones who have always been singled out for bullying by the system, and sometimes their careers put on the bonfire. The whole system really does stink!

The main problems:

Schoolies:
Too many care assistants are kids barely out of school. I've seen some of them browsing Facebook on their mobiles while residents are dangling in hoists! WHY THE HELL DO THEY EMPLOY THESE PEOPLE? Ah yes....because they're cheap and easily expendable!

The Old Guard:
On the other age extreme, you always get the 'old guard' care staff who are defensive, bitchy control freaks who despise change. It's always the long established care homes in provincial small towns that have these mindless, grumbling drones. They do every aspect of their job with robotic stoicism...everything that is, except actually talk and interact with the residents. ( That's not 'real work' you see! ) Do things differently to them ( i.e, do your job the way it's supposed to be done in the 21st century, with compassion, kindness and positive mind-set ) and they'll gang up on you like a flock of rancid old pigeons! Never mind institutionalisation of residents...these staff are also institutionalised into crappy old care practices, programmed to be carried out without question.

Language:
Whose bright idea was it to employ recently arrived foreign care staff with rudimentary grasp of the English language to help people with severe communication/cognition problems?

Pay:
Care work bears insulting pay levels leading to high staff turnover and demoralisation. "Who cares?" they say at 'care' home head office. "There's plenty more where they came from!"

Nurses:
Nurses are often put in charge of elderly care homes, but, as lovely, valuable, and hard working as many of them are, what's this sacred cow about Nurses? Dispensing/monitoring medication and dressing bed sores are of course important, but why does this give them this special authority? It's just another vestige of Victorian institutionalism. Care homes should be run by multi-discipliniary care teams from a variety of backgrounds. Clinical uniforms should be dispensed with....they create an 'us and them' barrier between residents and staff. Just plain black trousers and white T shirts would be fine, and just as hygienic. This whole Nurses in charge thing is based on the notion that all old people need to have a clinical cacoon built around them. If you want to make someone even sicker, more institutionalised and feeling even lower than they were before they entered the home, this is the best way to do it! Yipee!

Lack of social interaction for residents:
Why is this? Time for social interaction needs higher staffing levels, and that means MORE MONEY! Obvious really.

Tatty environments:
Fresh paint that isn't 'Nicotine Sunset' colour? New carpets that are not intricate floral designs that confuse the hell out of dementia sufferers? Nice clean window blinds instead of yellowing lace curtains? Unthinkable! For yea, it hath been carved unto the rock of elderly care home decor rules, that all elderly care homes must be created like this, for it is right and good. And it also saves a bomb on redecorating costs.

Shared rooms:
Yes...they STILL have SHARED ROOMS in many care homes. No privacy. No dignity. Can you imagine having to listen to another demented person's chunterings and bodily noises all night? The last government was to rule this practice out, but it's failed along the wayside. This latest government will certainly not bother to change this disgusting practice as no rich Tory MP has to face this prospect.

Conclusion:
If this was the exception rather than the norm, I wouldn't be writing this. On a more positive note, there are new care companies springing up who may be changing things to some extent, but it will need US, those working in care, and the CUSTOMERS ( in these days of market forces ) to demand the best for our loved ones in care. If you're a relative, don't do this by neurotically assuaging your guilt in picking on staff at the bottom of the food chain...eg, moaning about the socks left under Ethel's bed. This will alter nothing. If you feel the care home is cutting costs at every opportunity, confront the owners personally and investigate the big picture. Ask questions before you use their services, like staffing levels and ratios of carers to residents. Look at the outings activities on offer and see if they are actually used and attended. If answers are vague, make them be more specific. If that fails, seek out another care company with a clear mission statement and PROOF that that they are carrying it out on a day to day basis.

tiredgranny · 19/05/2011 06:29

they r breaking the law i cannot remember which one but it is something about person protection equipment ie gloves aprons etc i would report them to health and safety

Sirzy · 19/05/2011 06:38

Please complain about this something can only be done if they are aware of the problems.

We were lucky my grandmother was in the most fantasic care home who really did go above and beyond with what they did. Along the way we visited some awful places and the one we complained about we know they were visited soon after and closed down.

valiumredhead · 19/05/2011 07:48

Omg God that sounds disgusting! Please complain.

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