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AIBU or is the company? Back to work post maternity and treated differently

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Dondie · 25/03/2018 12:20

I have my appraisal on Tuesday and I don’t know whether to bring up the following that I’ve experienced since I got back from maternity leave. I’ve called Acas and they say I could have a case but would have to raise my issues internally first. So here goes:

I was and still am the only female manager to have a baby. I had a team of 3 pre Mat leave. When I returned after 9 months my department was split in two. One of my staff was made a manager and kept one member of staff and I kept the other. We are the only two departments with two people in. They changed my job title without my consultation. My member of staff quit within weeks as she was upset the other person was made manager and not her. The company started looking for someone else (I had to ask to be involved or would have just been handed someone new). The new member of staff is great but work have revoked a lot of my managerial tasks. I am no longer in charge of their salary or bonuses or promotions. I basically just sign off their annual leave. Pre mat leave I had full responsibility for all my staff including all the above. I raised this at the time and have an email from the MD saying “it’s not my business”. The new other manager who used to be my staff added insult to injury when he let slip in a conversation that the MD had told him my salary! I didn’t push it at the time as the MD (who’s my boss) had been vile to me since i got back, ignoring me and asking other staff to ask me for info so he didn’t have to speak to me directly and giving me tasks (via his PA so nothing in writing) then sending me nasty emails copying in half the company asking why I’ve done XYZ. The offices have also had a revamp and EVERY other manager except me has maintained their own office but I’ve been chucked out into the sale office. It’s really noisy and busy and I manage millions of pounds worth of stock so could do with somewhere quieter.

The MD has thawed in the last 8 months and we are on better terms but I’m still unhappy about how I’ve been treated and want to raise it, I also want to be able to manage my only member of staff properly.

The only reason I can think for my treatment is that I got the MD in trouble a few years back. I had an appraisal with him and negotiated a larger salary. Months later he made a comment to me that he got in “loads of trouble” about it. I presume with the other director or the chairman as they are the only other people who know salaries.

From an outside perspective should I raise this or just let it go? I am trying to find another job but I live rurally and am quite specialised so it’s not particularly easy. Anyone experienced similar when they returned?

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Dondie · 25/03/2018 12:21

Christ! I didn’t realise that was so long! I’m so sorry, please power through it though as I really need an outside perspective.

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GreenTulips · 25/03/2018 12:24

I don't think your appraisal is the place to raise these issues - but they do need to be raised at another point

Ask for a further meeting after the appraisal has been completed - this may go in your favour depending on the appraisal content

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S0ph1a · 25/03/2018 12:40

Yes I was .

I raised a formal complaint , it took months, with several hearings. I had to compile pages and pages of documents outlining all my concerns and giving details of issues going back years I was asked to “ prove “ all sorts of facts that the company knew were true eg other people’s salary.

The manager concerned told everyone else in the department not to speak to me , so I was “sent to Coventry “ .

I complained to HR and they moved me to another department, where I was seen a trouble maker for complaining.

Manager gossiped to everyone about the case while I was told that if I told anyone I’d be dismissed. This went on for nearly a year.

Then the manager raised a complaint against me in retaliation. And the whole process started again. They stopped investigating my complaint while they investigated the managers.

It was horrendous, I nearly had some kind of breakdown over it.

In the end I got a half hearted apology , basically saying that what had been done was less than ideal but I should suck it up.

I left of course.

I wish I had done so in the first place and not put myself through more than a year of such stress, when I had a toddler and a baby . It pretty much blighted two years of my children’s lives and I still feel angry about it.

I wish I could tell you a happier story . But my advice is to get out now. Your company don’t value you. It’s wrong I know. You can fight but you won’t win, whatever happens.

Sorry .

trojanpony · 25/03/2018 14:20

Do you have anything tangible?
Printed documents, Emails, witnesses of verbal exchanges who are willing to make a statement etc. ?

For what you’ve written it’s seems like discrimination but simultaneously you don’t have much hard evidence.

While it’s not right, from my own experiences of ineffectual HR I’d strongly recommend finding another job and getting the hell out of dodge.

Hillarious · 25/03/2018 15:19

Do you have a job description as a starting point, to show how your job might have changed, without any consultation with you?

user1487194234 · 25/03/2018 15:23

I am not one for giving up easily but I would keep my head down and focus on getting a new job

GreenTulips · 25/03/2018 15:24

Yes

Get a job description
Previous appraisals
Any emails sent/received
Company policy - look up maternity one

TittyGolightly · 25/03/2018 15:27

When I returned after 9 months my department was split in two.

This bit is important. Can you be more specific about this? Did you take any unpaid maternity leave at all?

tiredbutFuckIt · 25/03/2018 15:36

What is it you want as the outcome? Do you want to have a good job/relationship with MD, or do you want to “make a claim”?
If the M.D. is an arse, as he has shown, then he won’t take it well if you raise a grievance. Especially If the grievance embarrasses him by pointing out what an arse he was. And after a lot of wrangling and time, you may get to the stage of “making a claim”, would you still want to be working there through that?
Unfortunately companies are run by people, and people don’t always do the right thing. HR are not the company police who will come and arrest people for discrimination and bad behaviour.
Your situation is shit, it sounds like you were treated really badly, do you want to poke the sleeping tiger? Find a new job. Or dig in for a bloody battl.

user1487194234 · 25/03/2018 16:57

Did you complain about any of the things that have happened

Dondie · 25/03/2018 17:09

I didn’t take any unpaid maternity leave, I went back straight after SMP finished.

I have my original contract, it’s never been updated and still says my job when I started which I was promoted from several years ago.

My HR department is pretty useless, I raised these concerned very nicely (possibly too nicely so it almost didn’t seem like a complaint after a few months of going back) and they never responded or replied in any way. A side point is that when I went back and the department split happened I stalked my previous member of staff on Facebook and saw they had changed their job to my job as soon as I had gone on leave. I queried this and never got any response either.

Sadly a lot of you are confirming what I think, there’s little point pushing it even though I have had the shitty end of the stick. It makes me so sad/angry. It’s quite a small company (less than 100) and was only 30 of us when I joined. I was alone in my “department” and built it from nothing. I still struggle to understand that in this day and age women can get such a shit deal after mat leave. Having said that I shouldn’t surprise me, the company doesn’t cater for women at all really, we don’t even have sanitary bins AT ALL. 😡

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bbcessex · 25/03/2018 17:20

OP, it sounds very very poor.

If you post in Employment (legal), you may get some specialist advice.

By the way, it’s part of Workplace Regulations for your employer to ensure sanitary bins are installed and regularly emptied.. sounds like they are run by a very sexist shower 😡😡😡😡

Queenio24 · 25/03/2018 17:30

I would echo what s0ph1a says, and look for another job.
Sometimes it just too arduous to fight it, unfair I know.

user1487194234 · 25/03/2018 17:40

Its terrible the way you have been treated,but they sound like a right shower.You could fight,but it is really difficult to turn that kind of culture round

Dondie · 25/03/2018 18:10

Thank you bbcessex I have posted there too now.

I definitely don’t think I’m up for a major fight. I’ve got a toddler and hope to have another within the next couple of years and I want to spend my energy on that not a work fight. Plus any victory could be short lived I suppose if I go on mat leave again.

Thank you Mumsnetters, I don’t feel like I’d be doing the “wrong thing” by just letting it all slide now.

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Beansprout30 · 26/03/2018 21:47

Do you work for the same company as me?! I've been in a very very similar situation and if really knocked my confidence. I chose not to take it further as i couldn't be doing with the stress, especially knowing that I planned to get pregnant again soon. Dread to think what I'll go back to second time round. Sorry it's so shit for you to, makes me mad the way women are treated for going on mat leave

Dondie · 26/03/2018 22:24

It’s very sad but strangely comforting to find I’m not alone in this beansprout.

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Beansprout30 · 26/03/2018 22:36

Unfortunately I think it's all too common despite employment laws etc

blueshoes · 26/03/2018 22:44

Your best revenge is to stay where you are and put as many maternity leaves on this company as you can. Simply coast doing your reduced duties until your dcs are older, whereupon quit and reinvent yourself at a new company and give them the benefit of your labour and renewed motivation. Since you are unfairly pigeonholed and sidelined, take advantage of it for now.

Beansprout30 · 27/03/2018 21:14

Blueshoes you have completely summed up my plan! Let someone else take the stress and you do whatever you need to do for now then say bye bye when the time is right

Beansprout30 · 27/03/2018 21:16

In the meantime I'm studying (sometimes during work hours tut tut but nobody keeps tabs), build up my cv and hopefully stick my two fingers up when the time is right for me to look elsewhere Grin

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