Aibu to really dislike Primark?

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Tbh i tend to steer away from these discussions with my friends as I'm very much in the minority and well if people want to do what they want to do and you're not going to change their mind then what's the point?

But I was having a chat with a friend this evening about Primark who loves it and it's made me feel so uncomfortable. I think the main reason I dislike it so much is because it's ultra cheap fashion and I just don't buy that you can get stuff made that cheaply without huge compromises on standards of how people are treated in factories - whether it's child labour or working hours and working conditions or pay.

And what makes me feel cross is how many people buy willy nilly stuff from there all the time just because they can just because it's cheap when really they could go without it or get it from somewhere else and it wouldn't hurt them or certainly not as much as the person making their clothes is being hurt by these practises.

Were you expecting people to suddenly stop buying from Primark because you want them to OP?

As a PP said, primark is a lottery, for every item that lasts okay another item from primark will fall apart, so really you need to double the tag price to get the real price, nit so afforfable now is it?

Sorry but this is exaggerated bullshit. If you read the posts of those of us who actually do buy from primark you'll see a fair few of us stating very clearly that we've had plenty of items from there that have lasted, washed well, and are excellent quality. You're exaggerating to make a point (sure, everyone who bought a jacket there last year had to rebuy the same one a few months later right?) but in going a bit too far with your exaggeration you've lost the plot entirely.

I have a thick winter parka coat I got there six years ago when it was Easter and no other shops were still selling winter jackets (I needed one for a sudden trip to a country that goes down to -20!). It cost £18 and has been work to death at least five times per week in spring, autumn and winter ever since. It's still in as-new condition despite taking an absolute battering as my casual, chuck on the floor at gigs, use as a blanket on coaches, wear everywhere coat.

And I've had tonnes of other items that have lasted years and washed beautifully too.

Maybe some of their stock is poor quality and you're just not very good at identifying what to buy and what to leave on the shelf (or you have no first hand experience and are just parroting other people's parroting re primark 😂)? It's very bizarre.

As I said before I also have OLD primark purchases that have lasted, but thats a moot point really when we're talking about their CURRENT quality isnt it?

I have clothes from the 70s 80s and 90s from shops like topshop and M&S that still wash beautifully but that doesnt mean that those shops still sell products made to last. Because they dont.

also by all reports done by various different bodies, the vast majority of those who are on them are more than happy with the current arrangement

Would like to see those reports because I know a few people on zero hours contracts and not one is happy about it. It really buggers up their life!
Percentage wise of those I know is 100% not happym

I loved my zero hours contract it allowed me to keep my CV updated when my kids were small and I didnt want to be tied to a permanant contract.

They are VERY problematic as they are used in the wrong way by a lot of companies. They should never replace full time permanant contracts.

But they have their place when used appropriately

It is missuse of 0hr contacts that needs to stop, not their whole existance

When he got a job the first thing he did was buy a PE kit for his younger brothers. I thought it was sad and lovely at the same time

peacheachpearplum That's lovely. My older sister used to do stuff like that for me and my brother when she stated work 😊

I don't tend to shop in Primark but the undies are a bargain. Some of the kids stuff is good too, the jeans I find wear extremely well, but I do question the working environments of the poor sods who make the clothes, but same goes for everywhere. There was an exposé on River Island not long back and it was fairly shocking.

I only buy pj from primary or white t shirts

Would like to see those reports because I know a few people on zero hours contracts and not one is happy about it. It really buggers up their life!
Percentage wise of those I know is 100% not happym

Well its easy to google, the most recent fact check will point you in the right direction, and I concede that the most recent one has 32% looking for more work, when Labour raised the initial storm around these the numbers were a lot less.

fullfact.org/economy/facts-about-zero-hour-contracts/

You also have to acknowledge that your 0 is only anecdotal, Mcdonalds recently offered a fixed hour contract that was not taken up as people liked the flexibility, as I said a bit of reading around instead of extrapolating anecdotal evidence to try and make factual data.

This thread is why things will probably never change. Too many people unwilling to admit it is what it is and I stead jumping on the it's all I can afford so that's ok

Plenty of people have remarked they can afford to shop else where but choose Primark for a huge variety of other reasons.

I’m also an advocate of zero hours contracts and liked mine when I had kids...

BUT

I was working with reputable smaller companies that wanted flexible bank staff.

This thread is why things will probably never change. Too many people unwilling to admit it is what it is and I stead jumping on the it's all I can afford so that's ok

There are loads of people on this thread who use Primark but also mend, buy second hand and make their own clothes.
Your argument against Primark is weak and your background knowledge is poor.

Stamping your foot and yelling 'Primark is baaaaad' isn't going to change anything. Despite me shopping there I suspect I do a hell a lot more to save the environment from the curse of fast fashion than you do.
Boycotting Primark is just lazy. Unless you commit to learning to make clothes and mend them, only buying what you strictly need, only buying ethically sourced clothing made from ethically sourced fabrics (I mean actually researching and keeping on top of developments) and only buying second hand clothes from ethical sources (buying second hand Primark is still buying Primark), you aren't doing Jack to help solve the problem.

Honey, I refuse point blank to buy designer wear. Why should I pay to advertise a name for someone.

However maybe primark "ıs" all some people can afford

I was quoting the op babyspider I am pro Primark.

OP, you've consistently ignored numerous people pointing out that you can pay many multiples of Primark prices for clothes produced in the same factories under the same conditions. Conclusion has to be you're unreasonable.

If the OP had replaced "primark" with "disposable fashion" then the discussion would have been quite different, I feel.

Primark cater to a market and do it well.

In terms of "disposable fashion" and the impact of keeping up with trends, I'd cite online retailers like ASOS as far more damaging than primark. You can buy online and receive the next day, and there's a constant churn and turnover for the "next trend" with massive media presence and influence.

Blue lady - I don't think you're reading my posts. I completely understand that other high st stores do it too. My point is though that the uber cheapness of Primark encourages people to buy more wastefully and that in turn is even more damaging as cited by those awful Primark haul vids.

In fact I have not consistently ignored this. I seem to have repeatedly stated in along with the fact that you don't have to be mc or hating on those who are poor to recognise the problems posed by the likes of Primark and co. (But mainly Primark - just for all you Primani folk )

At least it's honest and they're not putting an obscene mark up on it.

Mcdonalds recently offered a fixed hour contract that was not taken up as people liked the flexibility, as I said a bit of reading around instead of extrapolating anecdotal evidence to try and make factual data

And who works at McDonald's?... Young kids mostly! Not men or women trying to support a family!
Any report can only be statistical.

I see blue lady that you are not in fact engaging with the point I made about the low price vs mark ipv

A product can be cheap at end use without exploitation I said that earlier. Unless you actively research before you buy you won’t know.

Disposable fashion starts right at the top. Trends are picked up from the shows and trickle down to the high street. Plenty of people buy tens of designer dresses and handbags and then won't wesr them next season and others want to replicate that.

As for someone not being able to buy a plain cardigan in Primark, they sell basic cardigans in every store i have been too, no seasonal cut or print just a a basic cardigan in various colours, usually folded on a table.

I like Primark, it is affordable for me. I can't afford £15 on a pair of basic leggings in M&S which inevitability get ruined from crawling around on the floor with my children when a £3 pair does the same job and lasts me just as long. I have three children and my youngest is wearing Primark items that my eldeat wore years ago.

And who works at McDonald's?... Young kids mostly! Not men or women trying to support a family!
In my home town (more affluent than where I live now) its all teens but thats not the case in my local one where I live now. Age ranges look to me mainly 30-65ish.

No I love Primark. When you haven't got much disposable income it's great to be able to buy cheap knickers and tshirts and hair bobbles or whatever.

I don't think the quality is shit - I've got loads of stuff from there that has literally lasted years.

It must be nice to have so much money that you can be completely ethical with your purchases but this isn't the reality for the majority of people.

It must be nice to have so much money that you can be completely ethical with your purchases but this isn't the reality for the majority of people.

I think I probably need to stop worrying about Primark and more about people's comprehension Skills as this has been refuted so many times but whatever cheap dig is good for right celesti?