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To panic..DH pulling out all the stops after separation row

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MissCommunication · 14/03/2018 12:47

I've had a lot of support on here from the wise MNers about my EA and controlling dh. He's gaslighting and manipulative and sees no wrong in what he does. We have two DC aged 5 and 18 months. He has up to now been very much a dip in and dip out Dad. Usually he can be found on one of his many devices not really partaking in family life but when he does it is for a few minutes and then back to (some) work, hobby websites, eBay etc. He is either tired or unwell and therefore on sofa or out doing his hobby. I am a SAHM (out of choice and it is what we discussed when we met as I felt I would rather not have children at all if I couldn't be with them growing up). When I have pulled him up on his lack of interest he has blamed me, telling me I am so painful to be around, so negative, excluding etc etc that he just stays away. Of course I know this is bollocks but for many years I was driven to despair and desperation feeling that everything was all my fault. I tried to take my life twice, have driven my car into a lamppost on purpose etc all because I have felt so unbelievably wretched. All that is behind me and I'm strong and gaining in confidence. He has stopped groping me and invading my personal space - thanks to the lovely mumsnet people I have a better view of body autonomy.

Three weeks ago we had a bust up. He basically told me I was abusive, negative, rude, aggressive, disrespectful, lazy and only interested in money. I clothe me and the children second off ebay or charity shops or hand me downs, I get my hair cut twice a year if that, I shop frugally. I am in no way profligate with money. He is a high earner and is currently spending like water. I posted a while ago about finding bank.statements and being shocked at his spending (rough estimate in excess of £30k in 6 months ... one transaction of £3.5k on hobby equipment plus lots of other amounts on his hobby and a £21k family car he has "bought me" but not put in my name). I had no idea that this money was sitting around especially when on the one hand it's family money he says and on the other when I asked about some extra work on the garden and a chap who came to the door quoted 180 he said "can YOU afford it?" I couldn't, so I had to send the man away and I felt so humiliated. He did it again when we had an unfortunate fine of £80 even though i appealed and did my best to sort it, he was quite unkind and said we shouldn't be just spending money for no reason. Needless to say that's another nail in the coffin.

I'm preparing to end the marriage but since the big Blue where I said we were separated he has gone to extra lengths to be a great Dad and husband. Of course, the children are lapping it up...they've not had it before and they want him a lot now. He has a 17 year old DD from his first marriage and he significantly reduced contact time basically to keep me interested after I ended it several years ago because his situation with ex W and DD was so toxic and traumatic for everyone. I can't really forgive myself for my naivety and for allowing that to happen. In my defence he was unbelievably convincing and persuasive despite my reservations and discomfort. I basically got myself so far embroiled and now I am completely and utterly financially dependent on him. He had me in an awful state....punishment and forgiveness cycles, all of which I now recognise, again thanks to advice and wisdom from here.

My huge worry is that now he's making all this effort he will try to completely break me when it all ends, especially when it comes to custody and money. I think he knows it is in the offing as he seems to be getting a lot in shirty little emails, laying a lot at my door but sugar coating it all to keep me sweet.

I am.still bf baby and the children have never had a night away from me. He goes away for work sometimes up to three weeks at a time.

Help! How do I play it? How do I beat him at his own game? Have copied some statements so that if he comes out with any shit about money I can just slap them down in front of him and tell him to fuck off but a friend tells me I must be less emotional about it. I haven't responded to the emails as I know he's only trying to document his efforts and his great Dadness but he's five years too fucking late!

OP posts:
Lifeisabeach09 · 14/03/2018 17:03

Agree with PPs-seek legal advice now. Take any bank statements, other evidence with you.
Good luck, OP.

Lifeisabeach09 · 14/03/2018 17:04

See solicitor before you tell him.

Quartz2208 · 14/03/2018 17:11

Itsgoodtobehome there is so much back story here that what you say just isn’t true. The OP is in a horrible situation and needs support in how to get out

YouTheCat · 14/03/2018 17:13

See what help you can get through Women's Aid. Add financially abusive into the mix too.

itsgoodtobehome · 14/03/2018 17:15

Insoir. I'm afraid that I don't know the OP's history. She says that she has posted on here before, but I am not aware of those posts.

My point is, I guess, and I apologize that it is coming out for this OP, but I read so many posts on here (and know people in RL) who have this idealogical view with their partner that when they have kids, one of them will stay at home (not always mum) and one will go out to work. Then reality bites, and the one working gets really resentful of the one that gets to stay at home. They see it as the 'easy' option. Yeah, I know that's not necessarily the case, but really - you don't have to be anywhere by a certain time, you don't have a boss to answer to, you can stay in your pjs all day if you want to, you don't have to jump when someone tell you to etc.

So, you end up with a situation where one is going out earning the money. The stay-at-homer obviously feels that the money is just as equally theirs, so makes plans to spend it. The 'earner' gets pissed off and becomes protective about the money and says why shouldn't I spend it how I want to....and so the cycle continues.

I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, I think it's just human nature. The OP's situation has clearly moved on from this, but what I am asking OP is.....is your DH totally on board with having been the main breadwinner for 5 years? Is this why he is pissed off? Have you actually talked about it, or have you just taken MN's advice that he is financially controlling and moved onto LTB before you have really looked at the reasons behind it?

itsgoodtobehome · 14/03/2018 17:15

I'm sorry that I don't know the back story.

Inseoir · 14/03/2018 17:17

What on earth are you on about itsgoodtobehome??? Read the OP for god's sake!! I'm not talking about other posts, I haven't read any of them, I'm talking about what the OP has said herself in this thread.

timeisnotaline · 14/03/2018 18:05

It’sgoodtobehome no one is asking you to do a search on the ops history. Just to read the actual thread? The one that you are posting on, in case you are still confused. Because your message is ‘your dh spends money like water but keeps you unable to afford clothes, haircuts, minor maintenance requirements on the house, is abusive to the point you are actually suicidal, but his resentment is natural and you really should get a job.’

itsgoodtobehome · 14/03/2018 18:29

I'm sorry, but I think the history is very relevant. OP says in her opening post: I felt I would rather not have children at all if I couldn't be with them growing up
Where was the husband's decision in this? Did he know for how long this arrangement was due to last? Did he know how many children this would involve? OP hasn't declared any of this. All we hear is that she is declaring financial abuse because he is probably fed up with supporting a family of 4 while she bitches and moans about him on the internet.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not a man, I do have children, and I have taken time off work to look after them. But I have never assumed that someone will take financial responsibility for me.

Quartz2208 · 14/03/2018 18:34

Itsgoodtobehome if you think history is relevant then do an advanced search. The abuse the OP has suffered goes beyond the financial and your opinion could make her feel that she should stay which is absolutely not what should happen

PippiLongstromp · 14/03/2018 18:38

@itsgoodtobehome OPs husband has been groping her, gaslighting her, been emotionally abusive, driven her to suicide attempts twice - and you think the problem is that she is a sahm?!! Stop derailing this thread, you are seeing it as an opportunity to preach about your personal bug bear, and it is extremely insensitive to the OP.

Bloomed · 14/03/2018 18:44

@itsgoodtobehome maybe start your own thread as your points are irrelevant to the OP.

Onlyoldontheoutside · 14/03/2018 19:01

Get a solicitor,you need try ones that give you a free half hour,stick to that(time it ) and choose the one that you feel comfortable with.
Get copies at any statement bank/building society and move them this safe place./friends.Do not let him know you have them or are onto him whatever the provocation.
Keep things normal for the kids,the charm offensive will not last so just use it as a breathing space.
Start enquiring about jobs,you don't say if you have friends /family who can help.
The hardest thing is taking the step out into the unknown and being scared about how to cope financially but it is easier after you take the leap and to be honest it looks like you have gone through worse.
Then once you have found your solicitor decide how you want to do it and take control.I separated quickly as I needed to get out,lessened to promises which cost me a fair bit on solicitors and the filed for unreasonable behaviour.If you own the house stay in it if you can(I had to leave but that was necessary for safety reasons).
I got through the initial bit on anger and lists and help from my Gp.
I wish you and your children all the strength to get through this.
There is a lot of practical help on the relationship/divorce/separation board.

Onlyoldontheoutside · 14/03/2018 19:04

I agree with your friends,keep you emotions under control or he will persuade you to agreements you don't want.Vent on here /with trusted friends.You are right to keep emails and make sure any responses from you are calm and reasonable.

itsgoodtobehome · 14/03/2018 19:05

OK - so one poster is telling me that I don't need to know the OP's history, another is telling me to do a search. I am merely commenting on the OP that is posted here. I don't think that anyone can be expected to go searching for previous history on every post. There are no real specific examples in the OP of what she has been through, so it's hard to comment on that. Yes there is mention of gaslighting and EA, but no specific examples to be able to comment on. He spent £30k in 6 months, but we don't know how much that is in proportion to what he earns.

Maybe I have picked the wrong thread to air my bug bear - and yes, you are right Pipi it is a bug bear. But I am so sick of hearing and reading about women who seem to make a unilateral decision to give up work when they have children and become financially dependent on another person, and then come moaning on a thread when the other person doesn't want to play ball anymore.

I'm sure the OP probably won't answer this question, but I'll ask it anyway....has there been any discussion between you and your husband in the last 5 years since your first child was born about changing the dynamic in your situation, or have you always been adamant that you are staying at home with the children?

Jon66 · 14/03/2018 19:15

I find some of the posts here a bit belligerent and unsympathetic. It's difficult out there on your own with children, and for the stage the op is at, pretty irrelevant whether her husband agreed to her being sahm or not although because the marriage has survived for 5 years he will be deemed to have accepted it. The marriage is breaking down, and she was asking for advice about how to ensure she comes out of the marriage with her full entitlement under the law. Moving forwards, not backwards. And whether you are a sahm or not, having children has a huge negative impact on your career. Women when ending their marriage need to be able to provide an appropriate home and the children, who are the most important element in any relationship breakdown between parents, need to be looked after appropriately. Op is asking for advice on how to do this, to ensure she receives her entitlement under the law, not a load of negative questions that bear no relationship to the issues.

MissCommunication · 14/03/2018 19:20

Wow. OK. Not that I need to answer the question but I will anyway. When my husband and I were dating, and there is a whole lot of history, we both made very conscious and reasoned decisions about children. It is something I go felt strongly enough about to GIVE him the choice to not have children if bring a SAHM was not an option for us.

To imply that I'm a freeloader who is biting the hand that feeds is, well, unjustified at best. Thank you for airing your bug bear on my thread. I suppose when my husband was driving at 130 miles an hour on a motorway with me and the DC in the car I should have been grateful? Had i given the whole history this thread would have been been long. I have fought hard for urgent family and marriage and am told I make no effort and do not care or consider my DH. Are you saying I traded him by opening my legs and want to be kept forever?

Forgive me but I'm a bit pissed off and will be taking this thread down. Frankly I came on here for supper because a shitstorm is on its way and I need help.

I have very kind and caring family and friends and I have engaged a SHL. I'm gathering resolve. Thank you to everyone who has commented and helped. It's heartening. Really.

OP posts:
MissCommunication · 14/03/2018 19:23

Typo city. Stupid phone. Supper = support. Fought hard for our family.

OP posts:
user764329056 · 14/03/2018 19:32

OP, just ignore the negativity on here, do all you can to stay strong and focused, don’t be derailed, a better life for you and your DCs is around the corner

itsgoodtobehome · 14/03/2018 19:32

Misscommunication - my intent is not to piss you off or upset you, but to question why you are where you are. It's very easy on MN to get the whole LTB and call Women's Aid, but you're not addressing the route of the issue. Yes, you say that when you were dating you made that decision to be a SAHM. My god, if I think back to all the romantic and well intentioned decisions my DH and I made when we were dating, I could cry and laugh. What about all the idealised decisions we all made when we were pregnant - I will never let my child have a dummy, they will never watch TV (those were mine - quickly changed!!). My point is, that reality kicks in, and you are allowed to change your mind, and your husband is allowed to be pissed off that he has been supporting the family for 5 years now.
Take the thread down if you want. I'm just trying to offer you some advice other than the usual LTB, get a solicitor etc. Obviously if he is harming you then that's a different story. Like I have said before, I don't know the back story, but maybe I'm way off. I just think that you shouldn't base your whole life and decisions on things that you discussed and agreed on when you were dating. Life moves on.

Quartz2208 · 14/03/2018 19:42

itsgoodtobehome please stop with the questions - there are many answers in threads as to exactly why she needs to leave and you have been told that he is harming her.

There are many threads where you have a valid point - you have been told this is not one of them so please find one or start your own.

OP good luck I wish you the strength to see this through

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/03/2018 20:11

It’sgood

You have made a mistake airing the view you did on this thread. A well intentioned mistake but a mistake nonetheless.

Please stop now. You are pushing the OP away from a source of support because you cannot let your point go.
(p.s. I have been the main and sometimes sole breadwinner for the last decade - if I have an issue with it then I would be justified in having a discussion with DH but not in emotionally and financially abusing him)

changemyname1 · 14/03/2018 21:02

itsgoodtobehome

Had the op continued to work through out the marriage I'm sure her H would still have been an abusive arse. Money was only one of the ways he abused the op.

I don't disagree with your point about loosing financial independence but please this is neither the time or the place to get on your soap box, let the op get all the advice, help and support that she needs.

Oswin · 14/03/2018 21:25

Its obvious Op is bringing abused from the first post. Hes a high earner yet his kids and wife are living like poor people. Good luck Op.

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