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My DHs friends drunk wife! (its long, very long, the longest thing ever but I do use paragraphs ) )

62 replies

HollyBayTree · 08/03/2018 09:37

It’s all in the title really. Grin

WWYD? DH has told me to do nothing , out of deference to his relationship with his friend (K).

Background situation: K’s wife, B, is a drunk, a nasty abusive, manipulative, weepy , waily, every-one-elses-fault-but-mine sort of drunk. She systematically falls out with her family, I think she’s been NC with one sister for about 7 years, and the relationship with her other sister and parents are fraught with tension. Her DH – K – for context is emotionally a bit of a cold fish.

I avoid B as I have been on the end of several of her drunken rants (I don’t drink) when we have been out as a social group. I sit very quietly on my own when she is around with my eyes on the floor, this apparently makes me ‘not fun’ and ‘boring’ and 'a bully'. This is to the point now that 4 couples will not invite K&P to any functions because of her aggressive behaviour towards me or her sister who is also part of our friendship group. So everyone else is polite enough if we are in the same place, but no longer include them when plans are being made. So that is the background.

My DH is very ill, its on going, he will die, it’s been a rollercoaster of three months, he had another hospital admission on Friday last week. Not particularly serious enough to warrant me calling all of our friends and family. B however works in the pathology lab of the hospital. Sunday Evening , B has text me to ask how DH is (and it’s a very passive aggressive text). I ignore at that point as I’m pondering what to say – DH doesn’t want anyone to know he is in hospital.

Within 15 minutes B has text a mutual friend, weepy waily, saying I ignore her. Mutual friend doesn’t reply to B for 18 hours, knowing DH doesn’t want visitors and is feeling vulnerable. So after 18 hours, thinking DH has been discharged, mutual friend thinks its safe to tell B that DH is admitted to hospital. B then goes scurrying off to visit DH, who is actually still on the ward waiting for pharmacy to deliver his drugs – DH is too polite tell her to go away – and of course her DH, K, is one of his long standing friends so he simply isn’t going to be rude to her, no matter how inappropriate she is. B also makes a big thing about this being her break and shes not visiting in work time. She does not enquire after me or the children.

I would point out in the past three months neither she nor K have text me or called round to see if I need any support. (K has been in direct contact with DH and visited him in hospital and at home) I have bumped into her once and she smiled and kept walking. Our extended group have been fantastic, they have picked me up when I was crying, sat with me all night through intensive care, ferried me to and from the hospital, put meals in front of me, done my shopping, and generally kept me sane.

I am absolutely furious that she has instigated a conversation to legitimately obtain information that she already knows using hospital privilege to wind me up – and this is about winding me up because I haven’t responded to her text, ergo I must ‘hate her’.

DH has told me to drop it as he and K are long standing friends and it would cause a seismic shift if I did tell her what I thought of her. –attention seeking needy drunk-- But I actually have a whole list of things I want to get off my chest – none of which she will take on board, this will be projected as me being nasty. I’m absolutely bloody furious she has taken it upon herself to visit DH when he’s vulnerable, pump him for information, whilst using the guise of ‘our friendship’ when she’s anything but a friend these days.

MN collective would you take the moral high ground and do nothing - I have tried once before to discuss her behaviour with her and all I got for my efforts was a snarl and the comment 'you make me want to hit you' and 'don't make this my fault' - this is when shes sober Shockor have you got a better idea?

OP posts:
JaneEyre70 · 08/03/2018 10:05

And do report her when you are in a position to have the time and energy to do so. If she's accessed your DHs records, you can bet your arse she's accessed others and there will be a trail of her doing so.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2018 10:07

Time is so short and prescious, I would honestly let it go. Don't suck it up, just be an impervious bubble that it resistant to get shit. It cannot station you, it just slides off. Have w good old screaming, tearful, snotty rant to s God friend you trust if you need to get it out, but then your impervious she'll goes back in and her shit just slides into a puddle on the floor.

I would absolutely honour your husbands wishes and not cause a ruckus between him and bff Warren they may not get the time to fix it.

You can always tell her what you think of her later, bit you know she won't listen

Somerville · 08/03/2018 10:07

Your Dh doesn't have control of much right now, so respecting his opinions of situations where he is in control is really important.

Drama llama's circle in situations like this. Ignore them.

sonjadog · 08/03/2018 10:08

I don't think you should get into an argument with her now. You know already that it will cause a huge row, difficulties in your husband's friendship and that she won't take on board what you are saying.

I suggest you tell your mutual friends that you and your husband need privacy and you would like information to come from you, rather than be passed around, so could they not share information but rather ask people to contact you if they want to know, and to respect if you take a while to get back to them. That is a reasonable request in the situation.

I would also ask your mutual friends not to spread gossip about what she is saying. Your mutual friend didn't need to tell you she has texted her to complain about you not answering. That's the kind of silly behaviour you don't need to give head space to right now.

Regarding the friendship with K and his wife, it sounds like you are friends now because K is your husband's friend, rather than that you consider them as your friends. In the future, I suggest that you just lose touch with them. As your friends have stopped inviting them because of her behaviour, I would imagine they will fade out of your social circle anyway.

Vangoghsear · 08/03/2018 10:11

How did she know? If she got information from the hospital IT system did she have a valid reason for accessing it? If not is usually a sackable offence.

HollyBayTree · 08/03/2018 10:14

How did she know? If she got information from the hospital IT system did she have a valid reason for accessing it? If not is usually a sackable offence.

She works in pathology, the physical blood sample would have crossed her desk as she is the clerk who books them in. No need to actually access his medical notes.

OP posts:
Cheby · 08/03/2018 10:18

I have electronic access to everyones records and I'm not medical let alone involved in care

OP you may have access but surely you know if you chose to access a patient’s record without legitimate cause you would be sacked? And that most trusts now have software which tracks who accesses files for this exact reason?

I know this isn’t the focus of the thread but I’m concerened about how you phrased that; are you in coding or similar? Very few non clinical staff should have access to medical records.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 08/03/2018 10:21

I really feel for your husband and for all of your family. Flowers

If you feel she's looking at his medical records in an inappropriate way, then you need to report that. Otherwise, I'd block her and ignore her.

elisenbrunnen · 08/03/2018 10:22

oyster - seriously? Angry Hmm

OP - I'd def let all your friends know that no-one is to give out any info about your DH, ever. Any info on him should come from and through you. Doesn't matter how 'hurt and upset' she will be.

Then, in the (hopefully distant) future, you can really give B what for.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 08/03/2018 10:22

I’m really sorry about your DH. I think you just need to forget this and concentrate on him.

Your post is a bit contradictory. Because you complain about not receiving support or texts or being asked after. But when you do get texts it makes you angry. You also ignore her when you see her but are cross if she doesn’t make an effort to stop and talk to you when you see her.

You don’t get on, that’s fine, just leave it at that and ignore her. I think because you’re in a very stressful position with DH this is bothering you more than it should. Perhaps it’s a type of avoidance which allows you to distract yourself from the trauma you’re going through?

Cheby · 08/03/2018 10:23

^^I agree, you can and should report her behaviour. It may be part of a pattern.

Loonoon · 08/03/2018 10:25

I agree you need to let it go - for now. Your focus should be your DH, yourself and the people who really care about you which by the sounds of it includes her husband. In the big scheme of things she is an irritating irrelevance.

I agree that you should call on your wider circle of friends for help and support with this. Let them be the buffer between you and her.

Flowers
fruitbrewhaha · 08/03/2018 10:25

She sounds like a fucking nightmare, but you and your friends know this and keep her at arms length.

However if you put this incidence on paper:
DH is in hospital
B works there but not directly involved in his care.
B sent a text enquiring after DH
B sent text to a friend
B visited DH.
It doesn't really look like she has done anything wrong.

As others have said, leave it.

I'm sorry your going through this.

Sheepasaurus · 08/03/2018 10:28

I also work in a hospital Pathology lab dealing with blood samples. I have seen the bloods of many friends and relatives HOWEVER, I play dumb until when and if they tell me about it. She shouldn't have texted anyone about your husband.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 08/03/2018 10:28

I’m so sorry to hear about your DH 💐

For now, do nothing - except makes notes, you might wish to bring a complaint against her later, much later.

If she texts you something like that again, reply along the lines of ‘He’s in hospital as you well know, but he doesn’t not want visitors and he does not want anyone to know, please respect his decisions’.

Don’t ask your friends to do or not do xyz. It’ll only cause problems.

mayhew · 08/03/2018 10:30

Is it possible that the normal rage you are feeling at your husbands prognosis is being deflected onto your extremely annoying ex-friend? I'm not saying you don't have reason to be angry with her, but I have observed grieving family members getting very angry at peripheral people.
When my dad was dying, I got very angry at a person who rang me about an unpaid bill when they hadn't issued me an invoice. She was a prat, but I wanted to punch her, which was ott.

CaptainCardamom · 08/03/2018 10:34

OP what a nightmare. I can understand this being too much to bear on top of what you're going through anyway but you can't make a scene for your DH's sake.

What I would do is buy a nice new clean notebook, keep it well hidden and write down all your rants and complaints about her in there. Write down every annoying, stupid and inappropriate / out of line thing she does and says. It will help you get it out of your system, and it may actually be a useful record if she keeps abusing her position and you do decide to report it one day. In the future, there may be a time for telling her what you think - although it's likely it won't get through to her. She sounds very seriously messed up and probably won't ever change - not that that's an excuse, but with this kind of person, you have to accept they're just impossible. (At least she's not your own family member...)

Brew for you

Laiste · 08/03/2018 10:35

reply along the lines of ‘He’s in hospital as you well know, but he doesn’t not want visitors and he does not want anyone to know, please respect his decisions’.

This is good advice OP.

It's easy to see things more clearly from the outside where we are, and i know that when lots of personalities are involved and he said, she said ect, but your best bet now is to pare it down to treating her with cold distance and politeness.

Who care if she tells anyone else anything really? If she goes moaning to mutual friends let them deal with it. Tell them you really don't want to know.

Serin · 08/03/2018 10:37

I am so sorry that you are having an awful time OP.

Your other friends sound very supportive and I would just focus on your DH and them.

With regard to information governance, hospitals take any misuse very seriously. if she strays again I would be reminding her of this!

www.igt.hscic.gov.uk/Caldicott2Principles.aspx

Laiste · 08/03/2018 10:38

Sorry, i meant to say: i know that when lots of personalities are involved and he said, she said ect, then it can feel too complicated to push through to the basics, but .....

probablynapping · 08/03/2018 10:49

So terribly sorry to hear about DH, there are no words.

She has completely breached the Caldecott principles if she has accessed any info about him. How did she know he was in hospital? Had you told him or did she find out via pathology? If the latter, then she has also massively breached patient confidentiality by texting you about him. That's an instantly sackable offence

probablynapping · 08/03/2018 10:50

*caldicott - autocorrect!

HollyBayTree · 08/03/2018 10:51

Your post is a bit contradictory. Because you complain about not receiving support or texts or being asked after. But when you do get texts it makes you angry. You also ignore her when you see her but are cross if she doesn’t make an effort to stop and talk to you when you see her

Her texts, thankfully are few and far between, they are drink fuelled, you can tell by the typing and they are ridiculously passive aggressive and self centered eg "I'm so upset X is in hospital', 'We cant believe X is in hospital again', 'We DO care' - from someone who, when pissed up wants to engineer a confrontation all the time (be it me or her sister).

And no, I dont need or want her to call round - I was illustrating the point that the principle relationship is between DH and K, not between myself and B, or even between DH and B. B and myself are merely the wives of a long standing school friendship and we no longer have an independent friendship.

I didnt ignore her when I saw her, we both nodded and said hello, she didnt drop her pace to stop and chat. (Which was a relief TBH).

We live in adjacent roads, and we havent seen each other in 14 months - since her last drink fuelled binge where I sat quietly in a corner all night desperately wishing I was at home. I've been socially polite but low contact since then.

Again for context, she broke her leg badly about 7 years ago, I text her daily, I visited her in hospital (with permission I hasten to add, no one want surprise visitors when you have your nightie on), offered to host her family for Christmas if she wasnt back on her feet. Her drinking started in ernest about 5.5-6 years ago when she fell out with the DSis and BIL. (nothing to do with me - I dont know these ones!)

OP posts:
HouseworkIsASin10 · 08/03/2018 10:52

Vent away Flowers

But keep the peace for your husband's sake.

You will get your day, and when that time comes give it to her both barrels.

Laiste · 08/03/2018 10:54

probably i know nothing about this sort of thing, and i'm sure you're right, but the OP can't use this info. if she is to honor her husbands wish to not cause trouble with the woman.

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