to feel sorry for Queen Anne?

[64BooLane]

I’m reading something that mentions her in passing quite a bit.

Didn’t know a lot about her but apparently she had 17 - SEVENTEEN - pregnancies, and none of the children lived to grow up. And then she was widowed and became alcoholic, gouty and obese, for which she was widely mocked. Added to all of this, it sounds as if she really didn’t enjoy being Queen and felt a lot of guilt about the end of the Stuarts. Then she died at forty-nine.

I mean, that really just sucks so much that I can’t get it out of my head. I’m not well versed in English history though, so I’m not very clear on her other qualities, such as whether she was astute/intelligent/thoughtful etc.

Should I read more about her? Any MN historians around? Any recommendations for books about that period?

64boolane, you should look up her mother, Caroline of Brunswick. She was turbo Princess Diana.

She had an arranged marriage to George the IV, who was already secretly morganticly married to Maria Fitzherbert.

He treated her dreadfully and spread rumours she was having affairs so he could restrict access to her child even though he was the one openly and flagrantly being unfaithful.

He didn’t even tell her when her daughter died.

Like Diana, the public supported her against her errant husband. And she sparked a near riot when she turned up to his coronation demanding to be crowned Queen and was locked out of Westminster Abbey.

Charlotte had an over protective mother so Charlotte kept escaping (literally by climbing out of the windows) so that she could get her own way. Yes, she died after giving birth. Leopold’s nephew was Prince Albert.

And his niece Victoria, of course. Talking of whom, I watched The Young Victoria the other day, but this scene gobsmacked me!

www.google.co.uk/search?newwindow=1&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new&espv=1&biw=920&bih=517&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=SwunWpiHGKSTgAbCqpMw&q=the+young+victoria+horse+riding+scene&oq=the+young+victoria+horse&gs_l=mobile-gws-img.1.1.41l2.27791.32151..33948...0....524.2178.2-1j3j1j1..........1..mobile-gws-wiz-img.......0j0i24j30i10.GdvOzBxBxtw%3D#imgrc=5l0mUXJ3Y3HQCM:

(Apologies for stupidly long link but I can't seem to upload images atm. )

vanilla, that is not right. English law at the time gave rights to children to their father. The Prince Regent fabricated reasons to remove Charlotte from her mother who was only allowed occasional visitation.

Are you sure you’re not confusing her with Queen Victoria?

Queen Victoria died in childbirth? OMG!!!!!!

No, Princess Charlotte! Giving birth at 84 would be spectular enough now, never mind in 1901!

No, Queen Victoria was over protected by her mother.

I would be snotty with you Agatha, but I like your work on Putin. So as you were.

(Although I guess you're just joining in the comically confused general spirit of this thread! )

Wikipedia is on my side
Like Nationwide.

But without the sisters.

You think the nationwide sisters song is bad? I have spent most of tonight wandering around my house singing ‘Vlad, Vlad, Vlad Putin, Russia’s crazy love machine’.

And you have the NERVE to criticise the Nationwide sisters song?

I searched for ARD's "work on Putin" expecting some incisive political comment on said Russian leader.

Gutted doesn't begin to describe it.

Isn’t it NERD? In fact, what about a Vlad Pharell sandwich? Anybody who would turn that down would be mad in my book.

EltonJohn you mistake me - I was saying that Wikipedia does not have the sisters. I like the sisters. I wish they’d sing Sisters.

God help the Vlad who comes between me and my sister

And god help the sister who comes between me and my Vlad!🎼🎤

Oh dear, Philippa Gregory imo ISN'T historically factual though I do agree Jean Plaidy was.
Queen Anne also had another friend who tried to promote herself; Abigail Masham I believe she was called.

On a lighter note I met Princess Anne last year when she officially opened an underground complex that my son works in.

I have spent most of tonight wandering around my house singing ‘Vlad, Vlad, Vlad Putin, Russia’s crazy love machine’

Dammit, now I’m singing this.

Andrewofgg, while St John's does have an the Footstool nickname, I believe Kikki was referring to Queen Anne furniture with its curved legs. To have legs like the towers of St John's would be truly unfortunate.

Abigail Masham was her maid .
She went to Sarah Churchill and claimed kinship and destitution. Sarah got her a job with Anne and wheedled her way into her affections and married well to a soldier.

Yes indeed bruffin, I thought there was a connection with Sarah Churchill.

She became Keeper of the Keys

Charlotte was married to Prince Leopold, later King of the Belgians. She died in childbirth, her (first and last) child also died.

At the time she died she was the only grandchild of George III. So shortly after her death all her 50something uncles (several of whom had long-standing mistresses and illegitimate children) had to scramble to get married and produce heirs, one of whom was Queen Victoria. And even she only became queen because none of William IV's children lived.

I also find the cases of George III's daughters interesting. Only one of them was allowed to marry when he was alive - the rest had to wait til their 50s, when he died. And the only one who had a child was probably the victim of incest by her brother

She became Keeper of the Keys
Sorry meant Keeper of the Privy Purse, keeper of the keys was Hagrid

There's a fascinating physician's account of the labour of Princess Charlotte. Heartbreaking too.

For some reason, some pages back, I saw KP and thought of peanuts which seemed unlikely, so my poor brain thought it must have meant KFC as Kevin Pietersen was too unlikely!

Read 'The Queens Favourite' about princess Queen Anne as a child and it is an ace story about the rivalry between Sarah Churchill and Abigail Masham. Who was the reason maids were called Abigails in Georgette Heyer times (an actual historical era). It was ace - or was at 12, anyway.