to feel sorry for Queen Anne?

[64BooLane]

I’m reading something that mentions her in passing quite a bit.

Didn’t know a lot about her but apparently she had 17 - SEVENTEEN - pregnancies, and none of the children lived to grow up. And then she was widowed and became alcoholic, gouty and obese, for which she was widely mocked. Added to all of this, it sounds as if she really didn’t enjoy being Queen and felt a lot of guilt about the end of the Stuarts. Then she died at forty-nine.

I mean, that really just sucks so much that I can’t get it out of my head. I’m not well versed in English history though, so I’m not very clear on her other qualities, such as whether she was astute/intelligent/thoughtful etc.

Should I read more about her? Any MN historians around? Any recommendations for books about that period?

To the op who asked why I thought to post about this - I am proofreading a biography of someone else, and they had connections to her court so there are a lot of side references to her. I was at her crappy luck (in a personal rather than economic/power sense)

(to the pp, obv, not the op)

I love MN. Poor old Queen Anne, she had a rough time of it. I tried to read The Politics of Passion but didn't find it very engaged. Will try Ungrateful Daughters. Thanks to the pp who posted the link to the medical article - very interesting.

This turned out to be a very funny thread.

I've shaken hands with PA at work. We didn't have any portaloos that I'm aware of. Also, there was no meat involved, IIRC.

No luck with QA.

Thanks 64 for the reply. I found it incredibly weird that I only read this fact today and then a few hours later you were posting about it. Perhaps I should start a woo thread...

I wonder if the Queen uses VIPoo? I think being caught short would really worry me if I were Queen.

Where does meat come into it?
Have I missed that post?
Nothing would suprise me with this thread.

Maybe her husband had a STI, and, given his life-style it was likely. Back in the day, when nothing could be done about it, the wife wasn't told and went on having non-viable pregnancies.

Mrs Beeton, of cookery book fame, had this problem. She never knew why her pregnancies failed. Mr Beeton and his doctor knew tho' - "don't upset the little wifey".

Thanks for those links @Kokeshi123! I managed to miss your post on first read through

of the band William & Mary

Ah, the good old William & Mary Chain - where are they now?

History shows how important medical progress (or the lack of it) has been. If Queen Anne's two daughters hadn't died of smallpox, or her son (1689-1700) hadn't died (of something that may have been a bacterial infection and would be treatable today), what would that have changed?

"Ah, the good old William & Mary Chain - where are they now?"

I heard they sold out and starting doing adverts for Orange a while back. Not heard anything since then.

No liz. Only I have PSB. 😉

I know this isn't the intent of the thread, but I'm crying with laughter.

Have pity on us poor wonky arses, then, won't you?

Funnily enough my family had a Queen Anne commode. Which is a vair posh portaloo
Would it be better or worse to ask Princess Anne to squat on a device monikered after her namesake rather than a bog (fnah) standard portaloo?
Hygge
When she emerged did she say ‘One would give it ten minutes if one were you’

Judashas I really hope so

Dido a pp posted a link upthread positing a convincing case that she possibly had lupus.

Mrs Beeton, of cookery book fame, had this problem

That reminds me of another book I've been meaning to read, the Kathryn Hughes Beeton bio. And it's inexpensive on Kindle, hurrah. If anyone else is interested, it is here

‘One would give it ten minutes if one were you' Perhaps that's why there has to be a guard stationed outside the royal portaloo though - so that the Queen never needs to be worried about the next person going in too soon.

Kokeshi123's first link (BMJ article) is worth a look:

"George was a man of monumental dullness, distinguished only by
his appetites for food and drink, his mild military ambitions, which were squashed by William of Orange when he became king, and his
asthma. One wag said that his heavy breathing was all that convinced
people he was in fact alive"

Hygge was it painted gold?

Oh, I do, liz. to all those with asymmetrical buttocks.

I corrected the "meat" to "meet" not sure why it still went through.
We werent allowed to use the loos when PA was in them.

"We werent allowed to use the loos when PA was in them."

Tbf, I don't think I'd be very happy if someone else used a loo when I was in it, either.

PerfectlySymmerticalButtocks - I have no idea, nobody else was allowed near the inside to have a look.

This was as close as we were allowed to get. There could have been a gold toilet behind that door but my bottom is too common to ever be allowed to find out.

Somehow your username seems weirdly appropriate for this conversation.

Liz70
Im digging myself a bigger hole all the time.