To ask what the point of Brexit is?

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I'm posting this here because I'm fed up of the circular arguments on the dedicated EU referendum thread so looking for a broader opinion.

If you voted to leave the EU are you happy that there is going to be a price to pay?

It seems to me Brexit was sold as having no downsides.

Now even Theresa May is saying we have to make difficult choices and our access to EU markets is going to be less than before.

Is it worth it?

So no point then

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A lot of the Brexiters on MN are Russian trolls I suspect say that they are fine to pay the price, that they knew the journey would be hard, that they are more sure than ever it's right course, that not recovering until 10 yrs from now is still worth it.

DS is the only Brexiter I know to talk to IRL. He is frustrated that UK are bothering to negotiate anything. Confused that people are making it so complicated. Thinks May has sold out. He worships JRM and can't wait for JRM or Bojo to be PM.

MIL is a Brexiter... I can't actually discuss with her, but I imagine she'd say "Oh they're just scare-mongering" about any news that Brexit might not be easy.

I literally couldn't stand to be in the same room as someone who worships JRM.

Read one of the million other threads about it. Asking the same question

I voted to leave and would do the sake again. Yes, there will be a price, but it is better to pay it now than later.

I was very unhappy with the direction of travel of the EU; Article 48 of the Lisbon Treaty in particular. I don't like QMV either, and as for the damage inflicted on Greece, Italy and Spain, there is no excuse.

KLink I have to agree with your son about negotiating. I think we should just tell the EU that there is no deal, as they evidently don't want one. As for the UK must be made to be,worse off outside the EU, do they say that of the U.S., Canada, Aus and NZ, or India and China, who are all outside the EU?

I was very unhappy with the direction of travel of the EU; Article 48 of the Lisbon Treaty in particular. I don't like QMV either, and as for the damage inflicted on Greece, Italy and Spain, there is no excuse.

How did any of that affect you personally?

If it didn't personally affect you, are you happy that the fall out will do?

Article 48 affects us all as it alters how decisions in Brussels are made.

I didn't want ' ever closer union', and that's where it is going. There is no one size fits all, and the differing European nations don't all fit into the EU mould. The V4 are getting increasingly restless and unhappy with this, and it will be interesting to see how they are dealt with.

Things don't have to affect me personally for me to be unhappy about them. I am unhappy about the attempts to undermine NATO by the signing of PESCO. I am unhappy with what I read and hear about Greece and Italy and would like the EU to stop administering a punishment beating to the former, and to sort out the migrant problem for the latter. I am very unhappy about the proposed enlargement to allow Serbia, Bosnia, Albania and FYROM accession, especially given the instability and corruption in those countries.

Yes, the fall out may affect me, but not as much as the damage if we stayed in. It will implode eventually if it doesn't reform as there is no will in Brussels to reform, then the further away I am when it all goes tits up, the better.

Yes, the fall out may affect me, but not as much as the damage if we stayed

What did you see as the personal damage to you if we'd stayed?

How is that greater than the fall out of higher prices, less variety of goods etc?

This issue has become so entrenched and such a part of people's identities that no one is prepared to evaluate their position, even as the price of Brexit becomes ever clearer.

So it'll still all be worth it, according to some, for the feeling of sticking it to the EU, even if our economy is severely impacted, controlling immigration was a pipe dream and we fuck up Northern Ireland in the process.

It's nothing short of tragic really. And I don't think Cameron is getting nearly enough flack for this shitstorm he's inflicted on us all.

He's not going to get any flak because he ran away, took the pin out of the grenade, threw it in and pissed off. I hate the weak cowardly little shit with a passion.

I hate the weak cowardly little shit with a passion

God me too. And he just swans off into the sunset with his millions and not a care in the world.

I can't bear Theresa May either, but I can't imagine her life is much fun at the minute.

Her life couldn't be too miserable for my liking. I was appalled when she lost the last election and clung on by bribing the DUP. I despair of the mess those gargantuan Tory egos are creating. They seem to think it's a game.

Why would we have a smaller variety of goods? What does the EU sell us that we cannot source elsewhere, and when it comes to it, would those EU producers, that see us as a huge market (French wine for example) choose to stop selling to those who buy French wine?

I live just outside Brussels and there isn't the range of goods in Belgium that I can get in the UK, and that it is in a loved up with the EU member state that is incredibly protectionist. I saw wider range of goods in Carrefour in Oman than I have ever seen in any of the myriad of Carrefours that I use. You could get Lurpak in Oman, but not in Belgium, unless you make a trip to the Scandinavian or British store to buy it. All the butter is Belgian, French or Irish.

Prices are high in Belgium anyway, as most things, including gas and electricity attract 21% VAT, so prices would have to rise an awful lot in the UK to reach those levels.

Voting to leave, and I would vote the same way again, was not about personal damage to me, but damage to the UK.

We are stuck with it. We don't have the oil revenues to import Lurpak without much cost to the consumer. Or consumers with loads of cash.We are not Oman.

scary forgive me if I'm more than a bit about someone who lives in Belgium but voted for the UK to leave the EU.

And we do what with NI? Just watch it implode?

Oh but scary is moving back soon to their beloved UK. The irony eh. Don't suppose you needed a visa for that job did you scary?