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... to be worried for my DD and her friends?

8 replies

loveyouradvice · 05/03/2018 18:09

Im really concerned that in a world where men do harass women ... and I was really shocked when I was asked the other day how many times I've been made to feel physically unsafe or threatened by a woman compared to by men.... the answers ZERO compared to thousands (from the attempted rapes and gropings to catcalling and just physical intimidation).... that we seem to be about to increase the risks for our DD without really thinking about it.

That we are about to let Men self-identify as Women... whenever they want, however they want.... making it so easy for any predatory man to abuse women's trust and safe spaces.

So little thought or discussion or study has gone into this badly thought-through law..... and I for one found the recent study of Target stores in the US provided some interesting evidence.

Increasing Peeping Toms by 3 times, and "upskirts" (I don't think it takes much imagination to think what this is) by more than double....when they allowed people to "self-identify"....

And this is in a "safe space" with staff around... not in public loos or other facilities....

I really really worry for my DD and her friends growing up in a much less safe environment, having to be on their guard so much more .....

SEE BELOW....

Abstract:

Background: There is an almost complete lack of statistical data on the relationship between gender-identity policies and incidents of sexual violence in bathrooms and change rooms. Using Target stores as a case study, we analyzed 220 media-reported sexual offenses in Target stores from 2003 to August of 2017 to determine the association, if any, between their gender-identity access policy made public in April 2016 and reported sexual offenses in their stores.

Results: Sexual incidents increased over the course of the entire timeframe of the media reports. In particular, voyeurism-related offenses (Upskirt and Peeping Tom) increased significantly after the publication of Target’s gender-inclusion policy in April, 2016. The three-season forced-category measurement found a 2.3x increase in the amount of upskirt incidents after the policy, and a 2.9x increase in peeping tom incidents after the policy. In a Poisson regression, using trimesters to control for seasonal variations in offenses, the fold change in rate from the four year pre-policy period to the post-policy period was 3.03 for Upskirt and 3.14 for Peeping Tom. Using a two year pre-policy period, the rate change was 2.16 times for Upskirt and 2.34 times for Peeping Tom.

Conclusion: While media-loss remains a limitation in the analysis, the present study supports the theory that sex predators may take opportunities afforded by gender-inclusion policies to perpetrate sexual violence against women in public spaces. No other theory seems to account for the significant and precisely-timed increase seen in the Target reports. Further study would be helpful to compare police reports to media-reported crime and to geographically match Target with similar stores to investigate whether sexual offenses have increased elsewhere.

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wrenika · 05/03/2018 18:31

Your DD and her friends will likely be fine. Not worth getting your knickers in a twist about.

Honestly, the whole 'everyone woman has to tolerate' thing makes me think I must be a pug-ugly woman cause nobody has every catcalled me, groped me, made inappropriate comments about me, etc in my 28 years of life.

I'd rather live in a world where people are safe to identify and act how they feel suits them rather than stopping that because a tiny minority abuse that. I'd hate to think of the statistics of the abuse, harassment, etc that non-binary, trans etc people go through on a day to day basis. We, as females, don't come anywhere close to what they go through.

But that's just my tuppence worth and I'm not interested in an argument. I had a transgender friend when I was a kid and I watched the hell she went through. She tried to kill herself, she drank to excess, she dropped out of school - and she had a massive support network behind her. I'm glad she's happy now, but seeing what she went through means I could never stand against additional rights for people to live how they should be living. It's none of our business and we can't understand how it feels to be in their position. Don't punish people for what a minority may do.

0ccamsRazor · 05/03/2018 18:31

I totally agree with you Op, male privilege, patriarchy and misogyny are eroding our safety and our rights as women, well what little safty and rights that we have in our society. Which is more than the rest of females on a global level, there is a War on Women

One does wonder why we are not hearing of any discussion by female to male people at the moment, it all seems to be from male to female. Hmm

RaininSummer · 05/03/2018 18:33

I agree too OP. It is depressing world in which to be female at the moment.

loveyouradvice · 05/03/2018 19:05

It is ... and when I was young I was so optimistic!

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Idontdowindows · 05/03/2018 19:24

It is OP, and it's going to get quite a bit worse before it gets better.

Every time women carve out protections and rights for themselves, men will make sure that gets destroyed as quickly as possible.

kubex · 05/03/2018 19:34

@wrenika what also well written post! I completely agree with everything you said.

pigsDOfly · 05/03/2018 19:40

Oh dear Wrenika I hope you're not serious with about thinking you must be pug-ugly because men have never assaulted you or cat called at you - sexual assault it not a compliment.

You have been very fortunate. I do not know any woman who has not at some time in her life been made fearful or uncomfortable by the unwanted attentions of men.

Allowing men to have free access to places that have hitherto been safe places for women has set women's safety and freedom back centuries.

Eliza9917 · 05/03/2018 20:04

I don't think you can say it's not the op's or any other woman's business because we are having our spaces and rights messed with.

If they all need special places, why not have three toilets/changing rooms/whatever, then people can choose where they go. Mens, womens and unisex. Everyone is happy.

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