AIBU - that we can't house everyone

[Lloyd45]

Article in the Guardian saying how awful it is we are sending homeless illegal immigrants home. Isn't that what we should be doing? Do we have to give free housing to everyone that comes to the UK?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/05/st-mungos-homeless-charity-helped-target-rough-sleepers-to-deport

Bloody hell OP you must be feeling cold and need the flames to warm you up.

I agree with per. Doesn't mean that we indefinitely house everyone and welcome all comers forever, just that basic accommodation is a requirement while asylum/visa claims are assessed - which requires our home office to get its jacksie into gear.

What makes someone more deserving of a house just because they've had the luck of being born in a certain country? I have never understood this.
People fleeing from war zones, other countries who have had to uproot their entire lives to come here - I don't imagine it's a decision they took lightly.

I think you will find that many of these people are from A8 countries , they will not be eligible as they are not working and are not eligible for benefits. Consequently they have little choice other than to return to their country of origin. Sorry but those are the rules.

This is a global problem.
Did you know that statistically the third world countries take in the most refugees?

Also what about consequences. When a global power is involved in wars, maybe some of the people whose houses have been blown up SHOULD turn up on its doorstep.

Almondtree

What makes someone more deserving of a house just because they've had the luck of being born in a certain country? I have never understood this.

It's called the nation state - the fundamental basis on which groups of humans organise themselves as citizens of a territory for their collective security, prosperity, and defence. Try living somewhere where the nation state doesn't function to get an idea of how essential it is!

Lloyd45

I agree with you entirely - no way should we have to pay to support those who have entered the country illegally. But you'll get plenty of people on here arguing the contrary to signal their virtue ... but somehow never offering up their own houses!

These immigrants haven't contributed to our country by way of tax etc so surely they should be back of the queue - gonna get bashed for this probably but it's true

Bearing in mind we are being told daily about the shortage of housing - why should immigrants be housed? The whole housing ‘crisis’ caused by immigration is causing huge areas of countryside being concreted over. These people come from places where housing is cheap- if they can’t afford to live legally in the U.K. they need to go home

Almondtree

What makes someone more deserving of a house just because they've had the luck of being born in a certain country? I have never understood this.

Tax and contributions.

If they're escaping war of persecution, they should get help.

But if they're from a safe, ok country and can't make a living then it makes sense to send them back.

Fucking hell what a depressing thread

with thousands of empty homes standing derelict, many more immaculate but unused (but that's the holy city of London so nothing can be changed)....yes, it is depressing.

Article in the Guardian saying how awful it is we are sending homeless illegal immigrants home. But the article wasn't saying that, was it? It was questioning the role of a homelessness charity in helping the Home Office seek out illegal immigrants. So did you not read it, or did you have some other purpose in phrasing your question as you did?

I used to work as a homeless officer, if an applicant was not eligible then really we had to encourage them to return to their country of origin. The problem is what else can be done? Leaving a person with no home, no means of earning a living, no money is not helping them. I know many on here will think it harsh but sometimes going home is the only option

I don't think there are swathes if empty but habitable homes.
There certainly are none in my vicinity.
There will be lots on a temporary basis, a week or two here or there, but no one leaves a property empty that could be rented out.

Ive left homes empty, but it's generally been when we've moved and the sale hasn't gone through yet or when we've left or rented a property and you get the odd couple of weeks either end of the tenancy.

Actually a lot of properties in London are left empty , it is called buy to leave and is a cash shelter for those from less stable countries.

Also lots of properties elsewhere that could be fixed up and lived in. 20% vat on renovation. None on new build . discuss.

There has been a fab programme about bringing properties back from the brink in Liverpool. It shows how hard it is and not an easy solution by no means.
How often should you house a person who continues to abuse their tenancy? Perhaps by refusal to pay rent? Or create nuisances?

Depressing nearly 2 years after the brexit referendum same old whinging. You’re taking back control of borders aren’t you?

There are a fair few empty properties up North.

But a home is only part of the solution. You need jobs, schools, public transport, shops, GP surgeries, dentists - you can't just plonk thousands of families in done-up houses where there's no infrastructure in place to support them.

True, hotcross same applies to massive new estates although no one seems to care.