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Need advice please..friendship issue

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Namechangefriend · 05/03/2018 10:41

Have been deliberating posting this for months, so thank you for taking the time to read, I would really appreciate some advice.
My oldest friend I've known over 30 years now, and we've been through many life's up and downs. I got married and had children, but my friend decided it was not for her, and pretty much stumbled from one bad relationship to another. She's always had a bit of a penchant for the 'bad boy' type, and used to say it was far more exciting. She has actually commented in the past, that my safe dependable DH is a 'bit boring..but hey ho each to their own'. She could be quite disparaging at times, but I've overlooked a lot over the years.
From the beginning, this friend had occasional odd issues. She would disappear half way through nights out, or simply go off the radar for weeks on end. Sometimes this would be on the back of a manic period of high. She would date some bad guy, usually married..then go to pieces once they ended it. This was a recurring theme. She also seemed to develop a drinking problem over latter years, such that meeting up, was often unpredictable. She would arrive sober & full of beans...knock back a bottle in no time, then quickly morph into some disinterested stranger, where her behaviour would become erratic and embarrassing at times.
In the past few years, she was increasingly becoming erratic. She would cancel things last minute, on some ocassions just not turn up, and on one night out, met a random man and disappeared for the night. Other times she has simply disappeared after pretending to go to the toilet, and has not been contactable for days after. I've really struggled with this behaviour, but I know it must have been MH related, and have tried asking her about it. She is always evasive and simply changes the subject. She has had a particularly bad couple of years, and I tried to help her and be there as much as I could. I invited her on our family holidays, as she used to moan about her brother's family not inviting her anywhere. Although I did try and explain the complexities of that one! Confused She sent me a lovely card and flowers early last year, and repeatedly thanked me for being such a good friend, particularly as a lot of our mutual friends and friends she has had herself, seem to have disappeared over the years. Anyway, last year my daughter was ill, and I've had lots of issues too. I've never really mentioned much about it, as she's never been much of a listener, and I'm quite an upbeat person.

Over the course of last year, something changed. We last met last spring. She arrived so happy and glad to see me, and once again, became very drunk very quickly. Said something disparaging about my DH which I ignored, and then had to leave as she had work the next day, and 'some of us have to get out of our beds in the morning'..I'm a p/t work SAHM and the sarky comments about that had become quite common. I didn't hear from her after that for 2 months. (Just for context..she used to msg everyday for many years...typical friends banter). We had a concert arranged with mutual friends, and she contacted them direct, to say she wasn't coming. When I messaged her, asking if she was ok, she ignored me.
She will then send some random msg weeks later. Completely unrelated, and often jokey but sarcastic.
She messaged one day after no contact for weeks, asking if I'd take a theatre ticket she had spare for 80pds...but DH was abroad with work. She messaged back and said ..oh well you'd probably prefer a drinking night anyway, so was pointless of me to ask!! Which seemed bizarre, as while I enjoy going out when I do get the chance, I'm very much the moderate kind!
I had to have two operations, and after the 2nd, I had a text from her in hospital, asking how was life in the land of ladies who lunch. When I told her where I was and why, and explained how I'd been a bit house bound for a few weeks with a long term catheter etc..she sent a bizarre detached one line reply along the lines of...'surely it's not all that bad?!' I just don't know what to make of it anymore. I am baffled and hurt and confused. DH thinks she is mentally unwell, and if she wants to push people away, then there's not a lot I can do. In that sense, I do agree, and I have over the past few months, just stopped trying. I've stopped asking her how she is. I don't call her anymore, as she never answers. And I'd stopped asking her if we can meet, because she simply always ignores it.
Last week got the better of me, I felt sad and thought I'd give it one more try. She had sent one of her random messages, commenting on the snow..and I replied and asked her if she'd like to go for a nice lunch somewhere next week. It had been too long etc etc...and once again, she has simply ignored.
So is this person beyond help? If she wanted no contact, then why does she continue to send random texts every now & again? Should I just stop replying to her?
I have no awareness of MH, although I do get down sometimes myself, I would never be rude to someone, and certainly not in the way she has treated me. People tell me I have been stupid to have put up with it for so long. But 30+ years is a long time, and I miss the friendship we once had. It may have always been peppered with spells of odd behaviour, but the good spells far outweighed the bad. Unfortunately the past few years has just seen a rapid decline, and I feel quite sad and hurt. Does anyone have any similar experience, and am I best just closing the door on this friendship for good.
Thank you for reading Flowers

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movinonup · 05/03/2018 10:49

I would certainly be closing the door and blocking her number.

Lucisky · 05/03/2018 10:52

When you say "the friendship you once had" I think you have hit the nail on the head. You are remembering the good times that were, but now she doesn't really sound much of a friend anymore. I would move on, spend more time with other friends. I am not saying blank her totally, but just don't feel the need to engage. A good friendship should make both parties feel happy, supported and cared about, this doesn't seem to be doing anything for you at all.

YellowFlower201 · 05/03/2018 10:52

What do you say when she speaks to you like that? Have you ever told her to shut up? I wonder what she'd do.
Personally i'd cut my losses at this stage. She doesn't even sound like she likes you so why waste your time on her. MH issues or not - treating people like this is unacceptable.

frasier · 05/03/2018 10:56

Her saying you'd prefer night getting drunk is projection. She was projecting her own feelings onto you.

I think you are being used. I think it sounds like she has a worrying drink problem and calls you when she runs out of friends to drink with I'm afraid. When she needs you, fine. When she doesn't, she doesn't care enough to work at the friendship. Sorry.

She also sounds like she's texting you drunk. The strange texts... if you still have them, read back and imagine she was sat on her phone alone in some bar or at home after a bottle of wine. Do they make more sense?

(My MIL used to text be bizarre and insensitive things and it was YEARS before I realised she was drunk most evenings!)

Time to move on for you. I wouldn't even respond to her any more.

Alwayslumpyporridge · 05/03/2018 12:10

I think I would have given up after her ditching me on nights out, without any explanation or getting in contact after? To me that smacks of drug use, could that be plausible?

I think that you need to just not bother suggesting anything, to the snow text just reply with if/how much snow you had etc not a suggestion to meet up.

HollyBayTree · 05/03/2018 12:20

I have a friend like this. She is bi-polar. Normally she is very good at taking her meds, but if she doesn’t for prolonged periods then she is completely erratic, unstable, can be promiscuous and she often goes low contact. Mixed in with her Asperger’s, it's a strange combination. She has little concept during these periods of other peoples feelings.

I'm guessing your friend has never sought any MH interventions or had a diagnosis?

Friendships evolve, it has to be two way traffic, when it isnt, and it is irretrievable then it's time to cut loose.Leave the door open in case she sorts herself out , but let her be making the first points of contact in future.

Trinity66 · 05/03/2018 12:25

She isn't a friend to you and will carry on letting you down. One way relationships aren't real or good. Let her go would be my advise

KC225 · 05/03/2018 12:41

I think the above poster has it right. Just reply to text about the snow but stop suggesting to meet up. If she does text something mean about your DH or about your life choices stop letting her get away with text back something like 'Not nice' or 'Bitter much'. Then ignore any more ramblings. Seems the two of your are hanging on to what was, she seems angry at you and you seem to be like a kicking post that she drops and picks up at will. She may well have mental health issues but she is not going to take advice from you. And until she addresses how she is and how she behaves, its not going to change.

I am not saying close the door, but she has no right to treat you like this. When hearing from a friend that has become distant through time, circumstances or miles it should make you smile - she's not making you smile is she?

Lizzie48 · 05/03/2018 12:43

Yes I thought bi-polar as well, it really sounds like it. Your friend sounds like an ex friend of mine, @Namechangefriend she was just a user sadly and it all went sour a few years ago over money I lent her. She had a breakdown at that time admittedly, but after recovering she broke contact with me apart from the odd Christmas card with newsletter talking about a foreign holiday (and yet she couldn't afford to pay us back?? Confused). My DH used to ask sarcastically, 'Has she enclosed a cheque?'

So I would absolutely advise you to disengage, she's no friend sadly.

Namechangefriend · 05/03/2018 13:30

I agree yellow flower, that is why I am so confused, because sometimes she acts as though she really dislikes me?! But why? Why the sudden polarisation, and why continue any contact, if she really simply doesn't like me anymore...
That's what I find hard to fathom.
She had told me so often how much my friendship has meant to her...so why treat somebody like that, it's just too strange.
The bi-polar thing has definitely crossed my mind. It ticks so many boxes. But she has never ever alluded to any notion of a MH issue. She is very good at avoidance, and has never once discussed it, or directly answered my concerns.
She would disappear half way through a night out, that she had often suggested herself, and often involved cost & time & effort to be there..and go no contact for days or weeks. Not answering my calls while I was sat on my own in the middle of some park fest, two hours away from home. And then send some chirpy text out of the blue..making random comments of no significance or reference to her disappearance and my numerous attempts to contact her to find out why. It just all became too much. If somebody has a MH issue, then how can friends help, when they won't let them in.
As for the drinking, she has also been one extreme or the other, and has turned up for nights out or events, and declared she is not drinking. And in those cases, she is utterly miserable to be around. It really is as though she only inhabits either end of the sad/happy spectrum. On the last family holiday she joined us on, she went manic on the first night, got super high drunk. Didn't surface till the afternoon, didn't want to do anything, eat anything, drink anything..or go anywhere. DH cooked a BBQ one night, and she passed a really sarcastic negative comment about the food, which really shocked me. She just seemed generally disinterested, bored and uptight for the remaining 3 days she was there. My family couldn't wait for her to go home, and I vowed not to invite her again.
It really does seem that she has no concept or awareness of how her actions impact other people.
So perhaps no-polar is a real possibility, I just wish she could have confided even just little, in the times where she's been in a better place. Thank you so much for your replies Flowers

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SwarmOfCats · 05/03/2018 13:45

I had one of these. Good friend, I thought, then suddenly kicked off and wouldn’t talk to me over something very small/a perceived slight that didn’t actually happen. I forgave when she apologised and we went back to normal...then she did it again. And again. I decided to give up on the second chances, and we lost contact for a long while.

We got back in touch when we bumped into each other, about a year ago, but it quickly became apparent I was only of use when she wanted to talk about herself, or needed someone to show her sympathy or feed into her frequent dramas. I would get in touch asking after her, she’d fill me in on everything that was happening with her, never once asked a question, then went silent when I wasn’t getting overly invested. She had no idea what, if anything, was happening in my life. I decided to just leave it until she contacted me...and after two months she silently blocked me on social media.

Lots of us can be guilty of being a little distant sometimes, and when there’s MH issues behaviour may sometimes be erratic...but while this is a reason, it isn’t an excuse. It’s up to you to set boundaries and decide how much you can put up with.

Rosamund1 · 05/03/2018 13:49

She’s not your friend.

YellowFlower201 · 05/03/2018 16:23

Maybe she's trying to get a reaction out of you? Some ppl feed on drama.. or she could be bi-polar or have a PD or be an alcoholic - it doesn't really matter.
She's not treating you like a friend. You seem to be a very patient and kind person. Don't let her walk all over you because you think she has a MH problem. MH arent carte blanche for nasty behaviour.
If you want to stay in touch do, but call her out on her behaviour if it upsets you! I'm pretty sure you won't hear from your friend again if you do as she's probably using you as an outlet to make herself feel better. That's not friendship.

Namechangefriend · 05/03/2018 17:47

Could well be right yellow flower. Come to think of it, she has made a few comments over the past year, about how special it was seeing somebody she used to work with. For instance, she had done her usual no contact stint, then messaged to say she'd had a great day out with so&so...in fact she added. Really special. I thought it was odd at the time, almost like she was trying to make me jealous or something?! I replied I was glad she was in a good place & having fun, hopefully we could catch up now she was back...and of course, silence.
As for calling her out, I tried to do just that a couple of years ago. She'd arranged for me to meet her in town, an hour and a half commute for me, and DH works long hours, so nights like that have to be prearranged. She went her usual low profile a few days before. Messaged something about not feeling too great on the morning, but when I specifically asked if she wanted to cancel, she said no. I even messaged again, one hour before I left, as I knew she had form.
Half way into the city on the train that I'd forked out a return ticket for...and DH had left work early to get home...I get a text. Actually sorry, I don't think I can make it after all. I was just fuming. I tried calling...just got voicemail. Left a message saying I was really upset, as it wasn't easy for me to plan nights out like that, and I can't understand why she always comes up with excuses to cancel. She sent me a curt message accusing me of calling her a liar...and if I was that concerned about the 20quid train fare...she'd send me a cheque.
I didn't speak to her for a while...but lo and behold, the random reach out messages, started up again.
Asarrggh I feel such a mug! But it's hard to wash your hands of 30 years. Confused

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