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AIBU to think my termination wasn't complete?

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newyearoldme · 04/03/2018 08:12

Reposting here for traffic...

I had a medical (not surgical) termination at 8 weeks in mid January in hospital and having passed there and then the requisite amount of tissue etc to be allowed to go home, considered the matter closed. As you do. Completely expected to have post termination bleeding for a while afterwards and was told by hospital staff that if I passed "anything larger than a satsuma" in the next two weeks then I was to go back as there may be an infection. Was told that should all be fine after two/three weeks.

For the next three weeks I had some general bleeding but nothing more than what I would call a slightly heavy period but which also by the end of three weeks had pretty much tapered off to nothing. No clots, nothing concerning, no "satsumas", no pain, no flooding etc.

After a few days of nothing at all, all of a sudden when out and about in a restaurant one lunchtime (abroad, no less), I feel a leakage and thinking I've just peed myself, try to hold it in but can't. I get to the loo and discover that my trousers are dripping fresh red blood and there are some clots (walnut sized, not yet a satsuma...) on their way out. Cleaned myself up as much as possible but over the next hour, I collapsed in the restaurant and bled out a huge amount of blood and some very large clots (baking potato, not satsuma). I was taken to local hospital where - so I was told as I was so out of it by this time - I effectively gave birth to a cabbage sized placenta. This would have been 12 weeks.

The local hospital staff were horrified to hear that I had not been scanned after the termination by my own hospital in January. Despite a slight language barrier, my understanding is that their view was that the termination had only partially worked and that whilst the pregnancy had finished, it had not all made its way out.

They also told me that as there was so much 'retained matter' (lovely phrase) the body had effectively been fooled into thinking I was still pregnant and therefore kept producing placenta etc which is why there was so much which came out. These doctors classified it a "miscarriage and haemorrhage" rather than "post termination haemorrhage" as apparently there was so much tissue etc that it pretty much constituted a miscarriage rather than anything post intervention, iyswim.

I had surgery in that hospital to remove every last bit and was discharged the next day. Am still finding myself revisiting the restaurant scenario as it was pretty traumatic.

Can anyone with some professional knowledge shed some light and/or perspective on this for me please, if only to put my mind at rest? Did my UK hospital make a mistake by not scanning me? I know this sounds crazy but is it really possible that the termination only partially worked but then nature took its own course with whatever was left? Why would I have such a large placenta and so much blood loss if the pregnancy had been terminated 4 weeks previously? Is there actually quite a lot of matter and tissue even at 8 weeks or could this be extra stuff which had developed in the intervening 4 weeks?

My GP is writing to the UK hospital concerned and I'm going through PALS to express concerns, but my mind is all a bit of a mess at the moment about it all. The only thing which is keeping me sane when I have visions of the blood and the huge clots and flashes back to contractions and blood gushes on the floor of the restaurant is that at least I had decided to end this pregnancy myself and that at least it wasn't a situation in which I was expecting a live baby later in the summer.

If you can help then I'd be most grateful. As you can see from the time I'm writing this, it's something that does keep my thoughts busy in the small hours.

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newyearoldme · 04/03/2018 09:12

A quick google comes up with this paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1046/j.1471-0528.2002.02156.x/asset/j.1471-0528.2002.02156.x.pdf?v=1&t=jeckq6lu&s=688af3f879962f0308b30b0ba34e4f515ebf181c
Seems to suggest that previous terminations and/or previous live births can sometimes affect the success of medical terminations.

ThanksCakeGin to everyone going or having been through this.

Maybe women ought to be encouraged to ask more about 'what happens and what can I expect if it doesn't work' although thinking about those kind of things at the time of miscarriage/abortion is probably the last thing on one's already distressed and traumatised mind.

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newyearoldme · 04/03/2018 09:13

Sorry - link doesn't seem to work. Screenshot of first page should give enough info and you can google the rest.

AIBU to think my termination wasn't complete?
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YimminiYoudar · 04/03/2018 09:19

The all the traumatic experiences on this thread are beginning to add up to what seems like misogyny in action on a massive scale. Why are so many women left to deal with this alone? Why isn't aftercare better? Makes me wonder what the standard levels of monitoring and support are for equivalent possible side effects from medical/surgical treatments that are for both sexes or for just men?

newyearoldme · 04/03/2018 09:24

Exactly my thoughts. DH is going for the snip shortly (not before time, I can tell you!) and even though it's a very routine 15 min job done at the local GP surgery, he's had armfuls of Information about what to expect, pain relief, what happens next, various checking in appts in advance and already had an actual post snip check up booked even though he's yet to even do it. The comparison with my pre and post intervention information and support is staggering.

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Littleraincloud · 04/03/2018 09:26

Yimmini I think it's because it's related to childbirth. Any pain associated to childbirth is considered natural and so we have to deal with it. They wouldn't prescribe me pain killers, I was told paracetamol are available at the chemist. As it happened I needed cocodamol which the chemist recommended instantly.

newyearoldme · 04/03/2018 09:28

Don't forget it took a (male-led?) medical investigation recently to conclude that period pain can feel worse than having a heart attack. To which 50% of the population simply raised their collective eyebrow slightly and asked whether this really was 'news'....

Confused
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Ellendegeneres · 04/03/2018 09:39

I had similar in that I retained product. I spoke to Marie stopes team and asked if I get a scan to ensure it had worked and nothing left behind and original appointment- they said no, it’s so rare that it’s unnecessary.
Guess I was the ‘rare’ case then. Two months(!) later, I was having horrendous symptoms. Saw gp who had a prod of my tummy, raised eyebrows and said she thought I’d gone ahead with termination- explained I had and she referred me straight to hospital. I was crapping myself, thought I was still pregnant. Medically, pregnancy isn’t an option for me any longer.
Got to early pregnancy unit where they scanned me and said I’m sorry you’ve lost your baby. I lost the plot. I hadn’t wanted the termination, and now they were clearly not reading my notes and trying to hug me etc.

Anyway, was referred for emergency surgery and admitted, I had so much infection that it had gone to my blood and I had sepsis. I nearly died. The whole reason I’d gone ahead with termination was because my dc need their Mum and I would have been in a wheelchair if I’d had another child.
Unbelievable.

Hope you’re ok now op and can get passed it with support and help

Topaz89 · 04/03/2018 09:41

I had a medical termination at 8 weeks and I think a follow up appointment should be mandatory. If the providers are so quick to do the procedure they should have a duty of care of their patients afterwards too.
I bled for about 2 months and got an infection during that time. It was traumatic.

LokiBear · 04/03/2018 09:45

I have to say, the people who treated me so horribly were all female. Including the lovely nurse who, when I phoned the day before my pointless second scan because I was bleeding said 'well there's no point in us seeing you, just get on with it. I'm not really sure why you've called.'

ShawshanksRedemption · 04/03/2018 10:30

I really hope your GP and PALS can help you with your questions OP. It sounds extremely traumatic what you have been through and I hope you are getting support to help you. I understand part of your healing process is asking the questions you have asked.

I think generally our society is sold on the idea that terminations are simple and quick "in and out" procedures, and certainly don't go into detail of what could go wrong. If you have any paperwork from your procedure I would look at what info it has and ask PALS and the NHS to review it if it does not give the failure rate of a complete termination, and other risks. E.g. this is on the NHS website - was it on your paperwork? Were you given time to read and agree to it? Every medical procedure carries risk and you should have signed a consent form acknowledging you understand and accept those risks. Did that happen for you? www.nhs.uk/conditions/abortion/risks/

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