To ask your opinion on MP's receiving a 1% pay rise...

[Monkeyandbananas]

Just that really. Anyone care to share their thoughts on the 1.8% pay rise?

Would i be right in thinking that they need to hire their own admin help out of that wage too, or have i got that wrong?
No they don’t hire out of their wage.

Why are we no longer valuing our worth?

I really wish I knew. It’s terrible as we race to the bottom.

@RaindropsAndSparkles what makes you think that being well paid = a good Mp?

Public sector workers have not had a pay rise in 8 years. When you take inflation into account, a pay freeze is essentially a pay cut. They are absolute bastards and should have agreed to a pay freeze for as long as their dubious austerity policies are in place. We're all in it together? I don't bloody think so.

Anyone who thinks Boris, Gove and Rees Mogg are the brightest and the best is delusional. They're a bunch of trussed up public school turkeys who can't believe their luck. Look at the Brexit debacle. It's sheer incompetence. What actually has to happen for people to stop cow towing to privilege?

poppycherry agree it's not a race to the bottom, funny that is an argument always trotted out by public sector workers when they are striking about their T & C's such as pensions.

MP's should be paid more, base salary of at least 100k - attract more quality applicants or you do end up with those who have family incomes that can supplement them.

Money doesn't necessarily attract the 'best' applicants. It attracts people motivated by money. Some may be 'the best' some may not be. That's what people who are entirely motivated by money seem incapable of understanding. Money is God for the moment and having legislators who are overly impressed by money is causing us all a lot of problems at the moment.

Gove is the most intelligent of the three by far, but the rudest.

I agree that we need to pay people properly to attract the best and the brightest into important jobs. But that isn't just mps, that is teachers, doctors, midwives nurses etc . So if it isn't happening in those professions I fail to see why it is so important for politicians

Exactly. 'We're all in this together' is a kick in the teeth for public sector workers when MPs don't play by the same rules themselves.

We don't all get the same T&Cs as the example above with 4 years death in service benefit and the increments thing is a red herring too because the rate for the job is actually the top of the band, not the bottom, so you start on a trainee wage and work up, ie you are underpaid for the role until you have been doing it for a few years.

Teachers and nurses start on around £22k, which is appallingly low for a graduate profession and only get up to the high 20s after a few years, whereas graduate roles in the private sector will start a few thousand higher at least.

Runningissimple Sat 03-Mar-18 07:34:08 Anyone who thinks Boris, Gove and Rees Mogg are the brightest and the best is delusional. They're a bunch of trussed up public school turkeys who can't believe their luck

I would put their capability several levels above Diane Abott, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner, charlatans the lot of them. I personally would rather have competent people who's values I disagree with, than incompetent fools

I'm more annoyed that the parties unelected get the pay rise too despite doing basically bugger all whilst out of office.

Anyone who thinks those three Tories are anything but charlatans is completely deluded. You can't seriously put those names and the word competent in the same sentence.

As for not paying opposition MPs the same, how does that work? What are back benchers in the ruling party doing for their money that those in opposition aren't? This thread has brought out some of the most half baked, illogical comment I've ever seen.

I would put their capability several levels above Diane Abott, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner

On what basis? That they went to posh schools

Funny that you think that three (un)wise men are more capable than three women without actually properly considering your statement. Women have a much harder time getting on in politics and those three men have spouted a lot of crap but get away with it.

But where do you start to compare a graduate nurse's salary. A doctor is a graduate too, and an articled clerk and a trainee actuary. Can you compare a graduate nurse with an Oxford graduate with a first class degree.

The problem is that teaching and nursing are vocational professions that strictly speaking don't require the level of academic rigour that is tequired by medicine, nuclear physics or mathematics.

The whole degree business has skewed expectations hugely.

And that has what to do with MPs' pay? I notice you still haven't answered the questions I asked you, Raindrops.

The problem is that teaching and nursing are vocational professions that strictly speaking don't require the level of academic rigour that is tequired by medicine, nuclear physics or mathematics

So?

believeitornot my partner is a lecturer of mathematics and to be able to teach students he had to do aBsc, an Msc, and a PHD, PGCHE, just to be able to stand and teach his students so how is this not academic rigour something which took 8 years of his life just to get these qualifications, along with the papers that he has had published, his wages are 3/4 of an MPs and is in the middle of the pensions debacle which will see his pension halved to what it should have been, no pay rise for four years and 1% this year

I didn’t question that there was a difference in academic rigour.

I asked the question so? I.e. what relevance is it?

That's what I thought you meant.

I think it's stinking disgrace. Theyre already ridiculously over paid. They harp about cuts. However it's never these arse holes that have to face these cuts, is it. We're all in this together my arse hole. They wouldn't know the words real life if they jumped up and introduced them selves. Just a bunch a plummed gob upper class I'm alright Jacks.

teaching and nursing are vocational professions that strictly speaking don't require the level of academic rigour that is tequired by medicine, nuclear physics or mathematics you didnt question ?

All 650 MPs are plummed gob upper class I'm alright Jacks. Ok if you say so.

Sorry - I mean why is that even relevant? In some cases yes there is a difference in academic rigour and some cases not. (By teaching - I took it to mean school teachers not lecturers who usually do research etc alongside).

I don’t think think academic rigour is a relevant argument.

I'm a teacher with a first from Cambridge and an MA in literature from Warwick. I'm far from alone. Teaching teenagers is complex and doing it well requires rigour and excellence. Running schools well, running multi academy trusts is complex and demanding. It requires high levels of intelligence and competency to do well. That's probably true if most professions. Vocational does not mean easy. The academic rigour argument is irrelevant.