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to think I don't work for my landlord, or my landlord's landlord?

16 replies

PretABoire · 02/03/2018 14:23

I love my flat, and can't afford to move, so I'll start with that.

TLDR; My landlord and the freeholder keep asking me to move things, disagreeing on where they should be moved to/who is responsible, then blaming and intimidating me over it

My landlord is generally ok, we've had a couple of small dramas but usually we get on. My landlord does NOT get on with the building's freeholder, who owns most of the flats in the block (all besides mine and next door), we call this guy the landlord's landlord. Next door & my flat share a private storage area. Next door have recently moved out, leaving all of their junk in the storage area, which has lead to a series of events that I'm really not happy about.

First of all I was asked to move everything out of the storage area so it could be painted. Annoying in itself, it was advertised as storage for our flat. No trouble, I move all my stuff. My landlord then asks me to clear next door's stuff since they've moved out and left it all. Their items are also heavy and bulky, I have a bad back. Again no problem, over a few days I haul it all down to the bins. On landlord's advice a set of shelves is left in the communal hallway as the painting shouldn't have taken more than a day. Next thing we know, we're getting aggressive emails from Landlord's Landlord (LLLL) because the shelves are obviously a huge fire safety issue and their presence sat against a wall means everyone in the building will immediately burn and die. Fine, I move them back to the storage area. Within hours, the next email appears. The neighbour's junk must be immediately removed from the bin area due to not being household waste. I move it back inside until I can get to a tip (bear in mind there has been no offer from my own LL to deal with his ex-tenant's shit, he just forwards me these emails from LLLL). A FURTHER email is then forwarded to me, accusing me of being a liar and having poor character because I was seen on CCTV moving the offending items back inside the building (i.e. following his request). LLLL attaches screengrabs from CCTV to accompany all these emails, even though I can see him curtain-twitching on the ground floor.

I've booked a council collection to pick up next-doors stuff as I'm getting rid of some furniture this weekend anyway. The cheeky fucker LLLL now wants me to add some of HIS tenant's discarded furniture. He also tried to charge me 6x the council fee to remove the original junk which isn't even mine.

I didn't mind sorting some of the neighbour's bits to stay in the good books of my LL, but I'm getting sick of emails several times a day attacking my character and insinuating I live like an animal because I'm the one hauling all the junk around.

Can I just refuse to engage from this point? The council will collect everything next week. LLLL also has a CCTV camera which points at my front door - literally just my front door - and I'm finding it hugely intrusive. I had naively thought that the CCTV was installed in case of burglars, not so that LLLL can use it to bully and harass tenants. Would I have any case to ask for this to be taken down or at least angled to watch a communal area?

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specialsubject · 02/03/2018 14:24

yes on all fronts. New data protection act coming in which will make it VERY difficult to have private CCTV. Check that out.

PretABoire · 02/03/2018 14:26

Does GDPR cover CCTV?! That would be AMAZING!

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honeysucklejasmine · 02/03/2018 14:31

Wtf?! It's not yours. He is harassing you. Tell him if he contacts you again you'll report him to the police.

TenancyTroublesAgain · 02/03/2018 14:33

Omg just write back telling him to fuck off and that it's not your rubbish! Don't let anyone walk over you!

timeisnotaline · 02/03/2018 14:34

Tell them both you feel this whole series of events is removing your right to quiet enjoyment of your tenancy, and to leave you out of it.

surlycurly · 02/03/2018 14:43

I'd be furious. A lawyer's letter wouldn't hurt in this situation; he's effectively harassing you.

PretABoire · 02/03/2018 14:52

Thanks all. I have told my LL to pass on the message that it will all be sorted by Wednesday next week and not to contact me about this again. I'm really quite upset about the CCTV images, I am being treated for anxiety and one of my big issues was struggling to leave the house due to an irrational fear of neighbours seeing me in the hallways. Now I fear that LLLL is sitting in a creepy lair under my flat watching from his window and collecting images from CCTV, disapproving of everything I do Hmm

I'll keep the CCTV/GDPR thing up my sleeve. Looks like it needs to be encrypted and we should have had notice of it being installed. It might be pretty funny to request all the images of me one day, since I'm legally entitled to them. I can never quite figure out if my LL wants to avoid confrontation or actively start a fight with LLLL but since they're already at each others throats I'll leave it for now.

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PretABoire · 02/03/2018 15:13

I don't have any direct contact with LLLL, it all goes through LL but he just fowards me everything anyway. LL is quite understanding that it's not my rubbish, but I have my reasons for wanting him to stay away from the building! I assumed I would dump the junk downstairs, save him a 4 hour round trip just to take the bins out and everyone would be happy. He's also very intrusive when he's in the area, they can be as bad as eachother really.

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Angrybird345 · 02/03/2018 15:45

He can’t have cctv directed st you. Are there signs up? Look at ico website.

Oldraver · 02/03/2018 15:55

I would put the rubbish that isnt yours back and tell your LL to deal with it

nocake · 02/03/2018 16:10

Why are you dealing with someone else's junk. I wouldn't have even touched it in the first place but now you have I'd put it back and tell your LL that it's nothing to do with you. I'd also tell them that the CCTV camera needs to go immediately as they're breaking the law. Cover it with a plastic bag until it's removed.

snewsname · 02/03/2018 16:15

It all sounds very confusing. Just be responsible for your own stuff. They can sorry the rest out. Ask your LL to tell them to point the cctv camera elsewhere

billyt · 02/03/2018 17:03

GDPR covers CCTV (although I prefer Video Surveillance as due to IP systems etc. it isn't Closed Circuit anymore). But it covers it in the same way that Data Protection does now, it just puts a lot more onus on the system operators/owners.

It does not cover residential systems, but there are certain criteria you need to adhere to..

AdalindSchade · 02/03/2018 17:06

Stop dealing with your landlord's shit. Ex tenants' stuff is now his problem and responsibility. You are a mug to be lugging it in and out.

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