Is this discrimination against part time staff

[confusedparttimer]

Can anybody who works in HR please explain this to me?

In work my holiday entitlement is given in hours because I work part time.

Holidays start in January however I have only just been told how many hours I have, I had asked several times but been told to just book any holidays I require and wait for them to be worked out. Which was inconvenient.

I had roughly worked out my allowance (correctly) but am surprised that bank holidays have been deducted from my allowance.

Full time staff get 25 days PLUS 8 days bank holiday.

I work 9.30 - 4.30 with a half hour lunch 4 days a week and have Mondays off, and I get 172 hours holiday and then have 3 bank holidays DEDUCTED.

How is this fair???

3 bank holidays will fall on days when you are working. So you will 19.5 hours will fall on thise days.

So I think you should get a credit. If the figures above are correct. You are entitled to 41 hours bh and you’re not getting that.

When I didn’t work a monday I alsways got a credit to my annual leave

You've got a couple of rounding errors, but you are saying exactly what others have said. You are entitled to 171.6 hours, including your bank holiday allowance.

You are not entitled "to do with as I please" if some of them are bank holidays. Just as the full time workers don't have the whole 231 hours to do with as they please. As I said above, you actually have a higher proportion of holiday to take when you like rather than having to take it on bank holidays.

But the 3 days bank holiday are days you would otherwise be working surely!!

I think the issue might be in how they get the 172 hours from

I think its right that your proportion of bank holidays is 5 out of 8 its where they get the 172 from

Are the 3 bank holidays automatically being deducted because you are not at work on 3 days (due to them being bank holidays?)

And 74% of 231 is 170 so the initial calculation is right, you are getting 74% of what a full timer would get

The full-timers will have 6.6 weeks less the 8 bank holidays though Op.

You are getting exactly the same as them on a pro-rata basis.

Oh I think the penny has finally dropped!

I think the way its worded on my holiday sheet was really confusing (especially for the mathematically challenged like myself)

Thank you to all - especially whatsthecomingoverthehill who managed to explain it in a way that I (eventually) understood!

I think 152.5 hours is correct (equivalent 23.5 days based on your 6.5hr working day)

A full timer gets 231 hours of hols including bank hols. As you work 0.74 of FT hours, your allowance inc bank hols is 0.74 x 231 = 172 hours

Then you need to deduct the bank hols which fall on your working days at 6.5 hours per day (Good Friday, Xmas Day and Boxing Day)

So 172 less 19.5 is 152.5

full timers get 25 days (i.e. 5 weeks) plus 8 bank holidays, which is 6.6 weeks
They only actually get 5 BH days because the other 3 BH days come out of their statutory holiday allowance of 28 days.

The whole legal allowance is irrelevant and distracting to what the OP is asking. Both her and the full time staff get more than the legal minimum, that's all that needs to be said
No it isn't.

The OP thinks that the FT staff are getting 8 BH days when they are only getting 5 BH days because 3 BH days come out of their statutory holiday days.

The OP gets 4 BH days which is exactly 4/5 of 5.

Persian, you're complicating things unnecessarily. But the OP seems to understand now so all good.

Persian, you're complicating things unnecessarily. But the OP seems to understand now so all good
I don't think I am actually but I didn't ask for your opinion.

Other people are allowed to post other than you.

@confusedparttimer I think some people are actually getting this wrong. You work 26 hours per week. Full timers work 35 hours per week. Full timers are allowed 25 days (7hrs per day) plus 8 bank holidays. This totals 231 hours.

You work 26 hours per week. 231 × (26/35)= 171.6, which rounds to 172 hours. This tallies with your given allowance.

But it's odd that you've had 3 days removed for bank holidays. Is your workplace one that shuts for BH, or can you choose to work? Why 3 days? There are five Monday BHs in 2018, so why not 5? You shouldn't be having to save AL for BHs that aren't on your working days.

New Year's Day: Monday 1 January.
Good Friday: Friday 30 March.
Easter Monday: Monday 2 April.
Early May bank holiday: Monday 7 May.
Spring bank holiday: Monday 28 May.
Summer bank holiday: Monday 27 August.
Christmas Day: Tuesday 25 December.
Boxing Day: Wednesday 26 December.

Surely 3 Bank holidays have been deducted as the OP has to take Good Friday, Christmas Day and Boxing Day off? She then has the remainder to use as she wishes?

Where is my brain? Yes, she doesn't work Mondays. I misread it as 'I work Mondays', despite also reading the 26 hour week.

Yes, that's perfectly right. It's Good Friday, Christmas Day and Boxing Day that you should work but are instead BH.

When I worked 4 days a week I got 6.5 days for bank holidays. When Monday was my day off it was great, when it was Wednesday it wasn't so great!

I now work 90% so am in every day and so get 8 days for BHs but get slightly fewer days annual leave than someone who works FT.

The only fair allocation is surely a percentage of what a FT employee gets based on how many hours/days you work a week. But clearly different employers determine allocation differently and different people on here think different things are fair. Query it with HR, if our HR dept are anything to go by they always mess up PT annual leave. I've had to query my allocation several times since my hours were last changed.

Exactly right for employees who work 5 days or more. OP works 4 days so pro rata would be entitled to less. 5.6 weeks for a 4 day week is 22.4 days

Sorry, I mean 28 days a year is exactly right for a five day week (or more as it’s capped at 28 days)
It doesn’t matter if these days are taken on bank holidays or not.

No Urapprentive, it depends on your employers policy. That is the absolute minimum and just confusing here because the OP's company gives 33.