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AIBU for stopping my ex seeing his daughter as he was arrested for growing cannabis?

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sparklydee75 · 24/02/2018 22:03

I'm new here and need a check as my ex says I am being unreasonable and using our child as a weapon. My DD is 6, I split from her dad about 2.5 years ago and we've had a working arrangement about access where he'd pick her up from school and also have her on a Weds and Sat overnight.

So just over 3 weeks ago (31st Jan 2018) I got a call from social services telling me that her dad had been arrested with a "significant amount of cannabis" and I was advised to stop all contact immediately for safeguarding purposes as he had put her in danger. I've since been through the assessment process with social services and told they don't have any need to see me or DD again. The social worker was actually very lovely and had a conversation with my daughter privately upstairs in her room (I listened at the bottom of the stairs) and without any prompting, DD told the social worker that when she was at Daddy's house, the "smelly trees" made her feel like bugs were crawling under her skin. She confirmed she didn't feel this way at Mummy's house. I've since taken her to the DR for a full check up and she's been given nasal cream as she is nasally ... prob as a result of being around a smoker. Also, DD told the SW that her dad smoked in the car with her. This made me very angry...

My DD never had her own room at her Dad's house even though he had a 2 bed property because as she put it, he had "smelly trees" in the bedrooms and she used to sleep in a bed with her dad. She used to come home to me smelling strongly of cologne / bodyspray with an underlying smell of cigarettes and cannabis. I'm a non smoker, so I can smell if someone has been around smoke from like a mile off. I never had proof because on pick up / drop offs he wouldn't even let me into his property if I needed to use the toilet...

The lady from Social Services who came round to assess me and also DD's dad, said the provision he he had made for her was "adequate" but that as her primary carer, it was up to me to make a decision about the welfare of my child and what is best for her. Her dad now seems to think that just because he has provided a bed for her in his spare room and obviously the cannabis and all equipment was removed by the police that it can all just go back to normal. According to him it is my fault that he isn't seeing his daughter.

I've asked him to tell me what is going on with his court case but he ignores me and refuses to answer, telling me I am being unreasonable, that I am bullying him, using our daughter as a weapon and that I am hurting her by preventing him from seeing her. The police can't tell me anything about his case for data protection purposes and I find myself googling our local magistrates court every Friday because they list the cases heard that week. I feel it's the only way I'll get to find out what is going on.

DD doesn't actually seem to be suffering too much from not seeing him though.. she says "that's what he is like" when we call him to say goodnight 3x and he doesn't answer. It breaks my heart.

There is also a long history of domestic / emotional abuse between DD's dad and myself and the police have logs of this. It's also why social services advised I not supervise visits in my home. He just seems to be acting like he hasn't done a thing wrong and accusing me of using her as a weapon, telling me that stopping him from seeing her is hurting our child. It's like he completely forgot that he got arrested and stopped our previous arrangement.

So I'm not currently allowing any access, and due to his verbal abuse towards me on the phone I'm changing my phone number and told him that she will now call him from a private number 2x a week.

Am I being unreasonable stopping the access for now?

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Domino20 · 24/02/2018 22:06

No
YANBU

BettyBaggins · 24/02/2018 22:06

No.

cestlavielife · 24/02/2018 22:07

In absence of court order then as the sw said you decide.
If you dont want her in a hpuse eith someobe who was arrested for cannabis growing then don't.
Let it pan out in the courts
In meantime you could arrange contact elsewhere e.g. drop her off with him at soft play or library for couple hours

sparklydee75 · 24/02/2018 22:14

cestlavielife I am working at trying to prove the domestic abuse to get legal aid but I need the call logs from the police or the SW to write a letter and neither are a simple option. I'd be happy for supervised contact at a contact centre but he has told me I am being controlling and unreasonable!!!

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Florene · 24/02/2018 22:20

Supervised contact is reasonable given the circumstances, not at all controlling, and he can take it or leave it.

NewYearNewMe18 · 24/02/2018 22:20

Just to cover your own back I would ask for the SW recommendations in writing.

Welshmaenad · 24/02/2018 22:23

Does he have parental responsibility?

HairyBallTheorem · 24/02/2018 22:26

Definitely not being unreasonable in the slightest.

Let him take you to court if he really thinks he's got a case - they'll laugh him out of court if he tries it. Go for supervised access only in a contact centre. (Though agree with PP - get the social worker's recommendation in writing).

bastardkitty · 24/02/2018 22:27

I agree about asking for the recommendations in writing. Otherwise it's time to sit back and do nothing. There is no court order - let him get one if he doesn't want supervised contact. I would think he has plenty of legal expenses already. It was indefensible for him to put your DD in that situation. Hope you have warned school or nursery.

sparklydee75 · 24/02/2018 22:31

He has PR as he is on the birth certificate. He is very charming and manipulative - I think he is an undiagnosed sociopath.

School are aware - I put it in writing that s/services are involved for safeguarding purposes although I didn't say why. School will now only allow me to pick her up

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SmurfOrTerf · 24/02/2018 22:32

I agree with you saying contact centre.
Of course he's saying You're controlling you are using her as a weapon

It doesn't make it true, and it actually makes it sound like he's watched Jeremy Kyle once too often.

bastardkitty · 24/02/2018 22:33

Did the GP record that your DD had been suffering symptoms of having been intoxicated by her father's drugs cultivation during contact?

Welshmaenad · 24/02/2018 22:37

If he has PR and there is no CAO school can't legally stop him from collecting her if he turns up and demands to collect his child. Once she is with him the police have no power to enforce her return to you as he has PR.

I'd suggest applying for a prohibited steps order preventing unsupervised contact - you can ask for an emergency hearing on the grounds that you wish to protect her should he work out he can collect her, which if he starts bleating on the Fathers4Justice forum, he may do. There's a tick box on the form for concerns surrounding drugs/alcohol and also space for you to explain your concerns in detail. I'd suggest adding the smoking in the car as well as the drugs offence. State that you are willing for supervised contact in a contact centre but cannot supervise in your home due to both historic and current abusive behaviour. Report current verbal abuse to the police so there is a log.

You are absolutely doing the right thing to protect your DD from contact with drugs/drug users. If he was growing it, who knows who was in and out of his home in connection with it.

bastardkitty · 24/02/2018 22:39

Although this is true re school, they cannot knowingly allow DD to go with her F when that puts her in an at risk situation. You could ask them to stall him nd call you.

Aprilshowerswontbelong · 24/02/2018 22:41

Safeguarding you dd isn't being controlling. If you had a druggie bf would he be happy he was around your dd? Doubt it.
Let him take you to court for access.

sparklydee75 · 24/02/2018 22:41

Welshmaenad this is my main concern. I am looking at trying to get legal aid to do just this and get a residency order. I've applied to the police to get a log of the domestic abuse calls made to 101 under the freedom of information act. I've also emailed the MASH (multi agency safeguarding hub) with a link from the gov.uk to a letter they can write to help.

I don't want to stop my DD from seeing her father, but I DO want to protect her against the unsafe lifestyle he was exposing her to. There is no question as the police found "a significant amount of cannabis and paraphernalia" which is all I can be told. I can't access any info about when his court date is because apparently even assholes have data protection on their side ...

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sparklydee75 · 24/02/2018 22:48

SmurfOrTerf omg I laughed and though at least I'm not on Jeremy Kyle ... JK would make meatballs out of him anyway!

bastardkitty it was the s/worker that DD said about "feeling like bugs were crawling under her skin" so I took her to a GP. I felt like we were rushed out of there a bit, but there should still be a record of her saying this to the s/worker and I have requested it in writing.

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cestlavielife · 24/02/2018 22:55

You dont need to do anything
Just ignore don't engage
You know he is being charged with cannabis offences so you are perfectly reasonable to say no contact or only supervised for now.
Tell school what you know

Is up to him to go to court to seek contact.

Which probably won't be until after he has been to court himself
If dd wants to see him have someone else take her to see him at a public location ..

BertieBotts · 24/02/2018 23:00

Yes good idea to ask for social worker's recommendation in writing.

You are not using her as a weapon. You are safeguarding her. Using her as a weapon might be if he was doing something perfectly legal that you didn't like, such as having a new girlfriend, or not paying maintenance. It's not the same thing when he is exposing her to illegal drugs and behaving so irresponsibly that he gets himself arrested!

I would suggest that you stop googling - it's probably fuelling any anxiety you have about this. If there's anything you need to know/be aware of, you'll be contacted by a solicitor and from there you can respond either by explaining the history, or offering supervised contact at a contact centre. However Welsh seems to have good info re legal protection for you for the future too.

Good luck!

Welshmaenad · 25/02/2018 11:08

You sound incredibly sensible and level headed and I'm sure this will be picked up on by the courts, you're seeking a safe way to allow contact to continue.

Can you self refer to a local DV organisation? They can usually write a letter to support legal aid applications, I used to work in DV and I did this all the time. You may struggle to get written recommendations from the SW, but you can make a request for copies of casenotes entered on your DD's file which will amount to the same thing.

Your DD is very lucky to have you to protect her.

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