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To tell you all what a **** exh is?

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ilovemilton · 21/02/2018 10:51

This isn’t a post asking for answers, I’ve long since learnt there aren’t any, and the legal system doesn’t give a crap. (If you search my previous threads you can have a whole day’s reading material!) I’m just sitting here alone, crying for my babies and need to tell the whole world that exh is a twat.

Abusive exh has a shared care order. He gets more than 50% during he holidays to make up for me having them more during term time Hmm

DC absolutely hate contact. DD went no contact almost a year ago now and exh fought for a bit, now doesn’t acknowledge her existence. However, exh says he’s let her have her own way, so he certainly won’t be doing it with DS. So DS is physically forced to go to contact.

DS came back crying after weekend contact, saying daddy was working so his brother had come to stay. Until recently he was a stranger, but it seems he’s doing this every holiday now. DC want to stay at home for their holidays, as they miss out on so much being with exh. Contact started again this morning and brother came to collect again. Exh is working both days he is due to have DS.

Now I know parents work, I actually work more hours than exh. He works three or four days a week, so it could have been arranged that he works the days he doesn’t have him?? I’m at home for the holidays and DS wants to stay at home, not sit in exh house with his uncle just for the sake of it. I tried to reason with exh last night, saying that DS wanted to stay home and I just got abuse.

It makes me so sad to see their childhood wasted like this. Physically forcing your child to go to contact is bad enough, but when it’s not even to be with their parent?!

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ilovemilton · 22/02/2018 23:51

His uncle is the same as his dad. Completely ignores DS but has to spend all his time by him.

Not allowed to do his homework. Even if he reads his reading book, he won’t sign to say he has read it, so DS doesn’t see the point.

DS has some toys there, but only the ones I provide, which I can’t afford to keep doing, so they are outdated. He sent me a photo of his room one day, and he had a box with things like empty pop bottles and empty egg boxes that he plays with.

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ilovemilton · 22/02/2018 23:52

Yes always the same judge. She’s made up her mind about me and I can’t do anything right.

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ilovemilton · 22/02/2018 23:53

And you’re not allowed to speak about it outside of court, hence the million posts on here, so I don’t go completely insane!!

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AnathemaPulsifer · 23/02/2018 21:37

Are you sure this isn't identifiable? I'd hate for you to suffer repercussions.

PoptartPoptart · 23/02/2018 22:10

I’m sure I’ve previously read on here that he cannot do anything as long as you make your DS available for contact.
For example, when ex turns up to collect DS, all you have to do is tell DS his dad is here, open the front door and then walk away into another room.
If DS decides to close the door and stay then that is his decision.
You haven’t broken any court order if you are not denying ex access. As long as you facilitate access by making DS available for contact then that is all you need to do.
What is ex going to do? Call the police? I can’t imagine they would forcibly remove DS and make him go to his dad if he is the one saying he doesn’t want to go.
He could take you back to court, but as long as you can show you are facilitating access then what can they do? They might take DS’s wishes into consideration given his age (and also the fact that DD chooses not to visit her dad either).
I can see why you would try to cajole DS by telling him it won’t be that bad, promising a fun weekend the following week etc, but honestly I would stop doing that. Listen to him and show him his feelings matter. Let him know you support his wishes and encourage him to be strong enough to tell his dad that he doesn’t want to go. I know it’s easier said than done and you’re only trying to make it easier for DS but you need to validate his feelings and show him you are on his side, otherwise he may very well end up resenting you aswell as his dad.

SnowWhitesRestingBitchFace · 23/02/2018 23:23

I don't have any advice just wanted to hand hold as I'm in a very similar position with my oldest DS. Been to court many times and I feel personally like I've been treated appallingly. We've had a handful of judges but the last lot of court cases was all heard by the same judge (as she took a special interest) and she took an instant dislike to me. Didn't matter what I did or said she argued. My legal representation said they couldn't understand what was going on because she is usually very well known for how extremely fair she is but it was obvious she didn't like me (which in one way was nice to hear as it confirmed I wasn't going mad).

I don't know what else to say but I'm here if you want to vent.

Julie8008 · 23/02/2018 23:53

Cant he get an electronic gaming device to play with. My DS would have loved the opportunity to stay in his room all day playing Super Mario Bros.

ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 20:53

Poptart this was exactly the same
Dilemma I had with DD and she’s come out the other side now no contact and reasonably unbroken. I’m hoping the same will work with DS.

Unfortunately, I thought this was the case re making the child available but it certainly isn’t. It was ruled that if the child doesn’t want to go once I have made them available, this in then means that I have made him not want to go and I have still broken the order Hmm

He had cafcass wrapped around his finger so much that when DD used to do this, they were straight on the phone to me instructing me to take DD to his house, leave her in the street and drive off to ensure she attended, or they would enforce the order with residency/fines/prison.

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ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 20:55

Snowwhite. This sounds just like us. When I have been able to afford solicitors, they have all said they have never seen orders like it or a case that has been made so complicated and rigid. Thanks for the hand hold. Sometimes you just need to be able to let off steam, esp when you can’t IRL.

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ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 20:57

Julie. The house is full of gadgets. I won’t be buying things like that for him, I provide enough for his house. In fact, I’m very angry today to find that all the clothes he attended contact in this week all have an identical rip in them HmmAngry

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FinallyFree123456789 · 25/02/2018 21:08

Have you had Cafcass and a court appointed guardian involved?
This was a turning point in my case - I fought for years against my ex and only finally got something that nearly suited my DD when they appointed a guardian for her

ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 21:16

Yes. The guardian and the judge are united in their hate and blame towards me. Exh is an angel and I just make everything up to ruin his relationship with them.

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ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 21:24

I remember the guardian sitting in my car once for an hour, when exh had rang her to say that DD was refusing to get out of the car for contact with him (yes she came around immediately Hmm), telling DD that if she didn’t go in mummy could go to prison. DD still refused, and after DD very rationally outlining all the abuse she had and was experiencing, the guardian decided that DD was refusing to get out of the car because I had no discipline ability.

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ilovemilton · 25/02/2018 21:26

I do go on about it too much sorry...there are so many crazy examples and I just want to tell the world the reality of these secret courts!

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FinallyFree123456789 · 28/02/2018 12:09

This is so bad - my turning point came with the guardian. The judge had been with us since day 1 and he took an instant dislike to me, my ex then started making mistakes and messing up; got too confident then the guardian got appointed.
You can put a complaint in against the judge if you think she is being biased - I did and this stopped the judge overseeing one of our hearings - but he soon went back to seeing us and kept us exclusively to himself.
Has we have a long, complicated very rigdid court order too, my family have just spent £17,000 fighting my ex and finally have put a halt to the proceedings.
Can you get someone to speak to the children? School councillor etc anything on record where you can’t “manipulate” them will help you.
I completely feel for you as I was in this position last year :-(

greenlanes · 28/02/2018 12:21

#ibelieveyou

But what to do? I couldnt believe the Cafcass announcement before Christmas - it was supported by one of the fathers' rights group. Yet there had been no consultation with Womens Aid or other of the very small fragmented mothers rights groups. It is clear that mothers are being demonised by the Family Courts. So how to stop that prejudice?

I will write to the Head of Cafcass so they know my views. If more people did the same it might start a small revolution!

donners312 · 28/02/2018 12:31

I think it is shocking when you deal with the family court - you don't believe it until you do!!

I have the most horrendous order which i haven't abided to and Ex taking me back for enforcement but my DC are 14 and 11 so thinking not much court can do but who knows.

My friend has evidence of abuse including sexual but once they decide something you cannot get them to see sense.

these poor children!!

ilovemilton · 28/02/2018 20:46

The judge hates me. Exh took me back a million times for enforcement. The worst being after I reported him to the police for being assaulted by him on my doorstep in front of the children. Judge ruled it didn’t happen and i was abusing the children for saying such thinks about their DF. She ended with the next hearing date and sarcastically said “if Mrs Milton can manage to not call the police again before then of course.”

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ilovemilton · 28/02/2018 20:48

Thank you greenlanes. People just can’t believe it IRL, mainly because you can only tell them bits.

I wish I had the strength to campaign or write a book or something. Well done.

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Prettylovely · 28/02/2018 20:56

This is so sad your poor kids Flowers

MrsElvis · 28/02/2018 21:07

I'm tempted to tell you to run away to Australia with your DcS because this sounds like a living hell

ilovemilton · 28/02/2018 21:15

It’s hell. It really is.

You leave an abusive partner, only for him to be legally allowed to continue his abuse for six more years with, on average, a court hearing every three months.

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Worldsworstcook · 28/02/2018 21:23

I may have missed it but how old are dcs?

MrsElvis · 28/02/2018 21:24

I'm so sorry... so your DD was "allowed" to shake him off... how long did that take?

ilovemilton · 28/02/2018 21:49

9 and 12

DD stopped going last summer, after she was attacked in front of her mates by him. He fought a lot at first, now acts like she doesn’t exist.

But it’s made it worse for DS. “Your sister got away with getting her own way, you never will.”

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